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   Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:27:23 JST Kirino Kousaka

   Been a comfy night learning some Rust (is fun), TCP Netowrking and the MySQL connection protocol (is not fun) while watching Space stuff and listening to music :D

   ...not all at once tho

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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:27:22 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @Kirino I was really briefly considering learning rust but I'm not sure if it's better than go for my purposes, which I primarily do Network programming. Is it worth it?
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:41:47 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     You are asking the wrong hombre, muchacho. I'm not familiar enough with the language to recommend it but here's what my (grossly uniformed) opinion is: Go is literally designed for networking so I'd go with that. Rust is designed for performance so it can be good for scalability though and has some good crates for handling network connections (Though I'm just using std library for now).

     If you a lowly high-level (heh, funny oxymoron) programmer like myself then Rust is a pretty fun option and has already REALLY helped me better understand concepts behind the languages I use day to day -- so that's fun! :D

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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:48:32 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     @kirby @Kirino
     Both are fun, but go for Go first I think if you want to make network services. Rust's syntax will feel weird afterwards, to the one who is used to C-like languages it always does, but you will be able to get around that.
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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:49:45 JST munir

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     • :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:
     @m0xEE @kirby @Kirino rust is like a cruel mistress, it beats you down till you comply
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:52:07 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     "Go for Go" should be their marketing tagline.

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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:55:58 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     I'm seeing it as more a drill sergeant (which I'm suddenly realizing is VERY similar and now I'm disturbed)

     It's breaking down shitty stupid habits I have and building me back up.

     I'm beginning to think a LOT more about each operation and the potential Big O of what I do because I want to write faster shtuff than what the higher-level / interpreted languages offer -- why should I bother writing low-level if I waste the faster processing speed on inefficient and sloppy code?

     Sorry if I sound retarded, it's because I am. :D

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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:55:58 JST munir

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     • :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:
     @Kirino @m0xEE @kirby I used it once, the borrow checker made my life hell.
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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:59:40 JST munir

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     • :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:
     @m0xEE @kirby @Kirino the rules still apply in unsafe blocks :02_blink:
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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 12:59:42 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     @munir @kirby @Kirino
     unsafe {
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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:21:27 JST munir

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     • :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:
     @m0xEE @kirby @Kirino oh and don't join the rust discord at any costs.
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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:21:29 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     @munir
     They do, but you can do our favourite fucked up shit, like creating unsafe references and even ignore the most part of the type system, to show that borrow checker the finger 😊
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:24:08 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     *don't use discord at any cost

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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:51:11 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @kirby @Kirino Its not better than go sir, have fun writing this.
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:53:50 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @dcc @Kirino reminds me of c++ with functional programming aspects. It's probably not bad this is just a really unfortunate example.
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     DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 13:56:40 JST DulceKennedy

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     @dcc @kirby @Kirino writing rust rn
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     vic (vic@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 14:01:29 JST vic

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     @dcc @kirby @Kirino Rust is *almost* as ugly as the trannies who write it
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 14:06:01 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @vic @dcc @Kirino I mean since you guys enjoy making fun of it so much you may as well look at somewhat complex c programs. I mean dem would probably not be able to tell a difference. He just likes making fun of things when it's cool
     
     I'm pretty sure you're a programmer and could counter this, but I mean at the end of the day cherrypick good enough examples and you have a nice hate thread
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     vic (vic@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 14:19:23 JST vic

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     @kirby @dcc @Kirino I am a programmer and have coded in many languages over many years.
     
     There is a very, very good reason why, among the next-gen languages, Go is far more widespread than Rust, despite Rust creating programs that run far faster without any garbage collection.
     
     At the end of the day, practical coding is about *doing*. With Rust, you're going to spend probably about 95% of your time reading documentation and learning about edge cases. This does NOT change as you learn more; due to the complexity of the language and how it continuously changes, there will always be far more learning than doing.
     
     Go, on the other hand, rarely changes significantly, and it intentionally has a simple syntax. This leads to its own quirks and lack of certain functionality, but someone who just wants to get the job done can work with Go far more easily, and more importantly, work on *other* people's code more easily. There really aren't that many examples of "awful" Go code, whereas with Rust you can pretty much pick any popular library and find cryptic code that would take hours to reverse-engineer, let alone the time to actually contribute to or modify it.
     
     That, and every profile picture of a Rust developer is a disgusting tranny.
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 14:19:37 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @vic @dcc @Kirino if this is true, that sucks. then go would be worth learning. i got it.