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   翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 02:53:09 JST 翠星石

   • Dushman
   • Johnny Peligro
   @dushman GNU coreutils is only one package out of 388; https://www.gnu.org/software/
   
   >Hurd is unusable for anything serious
   Hurd can boot straight into GNU Emacs, which is all you need to real serious computation.
   
   >You can replace the GNU coreutils with busybox or ones from the BSDs and have a complete system.
   You cannot, as coreutils is only one small part of a complete system - BusyBox/Linux distros are dependent on GNU software and GNU libraries to function.
   
   Even the BSD's are dependent on GNU software, even though they dislike the freedom and seek to replace the freedom with versions that are proprietarized, they still use GNU.
   
   A kernel is like a transmission in a car - important if you want the engines power to be delivered to the wheels (or processes scheduled), but clearly less important than the rest of the GNU/Car, which has the GNU/Frame (glibc), GNU/Starter (Grub) and GNU/Controls (Bash) etc.
   
   @mischievoustomato >replace the gnu coreutils with the rust ones. imagine that'd happen to gnu lol
   Adopting an inferior coreutils will do absolutely nothing to GNU, as the remaining GNU software would still be in use.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 03:06:06 JST 翠星石

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     • Dushman
     @dushman Alpine is compiled by GCC, so indeed they're all made by GNU and their own wiki notes that you need to install GNU software to get normal things working.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 03:06:08 JST Dushman

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     • Johnny Peligro

     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website dependent on GNU software and GNU libraries to function.Literally none of the default Alpine packages are made by GNU. I checked against this list. It doesn't even use glibc.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 03:18:30 JST 翠星石

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     • Dushman
     @dushman >If you compiled the C portions of Windows with GCC would that make it GNU lol?
     No, but that version of windows would be made by GNU.
     
     How Alpine depends on lots of GNU software to work and how some of it doesn't end up in the image doesn't make it not dependent on GNU.
     
     >A lot of the packages do not depend on any GNU software.
     Have you really checked the whole dependency tree.
     
     I can bet for any nontrivial package you will find GNU in the reverse dependencies if you look deeply enough.
     
     
     Maybe I should do a full analysis to see how much of GNU Alpine uses - I would expect to find a lot despite its severe lacking of basic functionality.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 03:18:32 JST Dushman

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     • Johnny Peligro

     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website Alpine is compiled by GCCThat's irrelevant. If you compiled the C portions of Windows with GCC would that make it GNU lol? their own wiki notes that you need to install GNU software to get normal things workingIt varies. A lot of the packages do not depend on any GNU software.