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"Sorry but the gay sex parties in seminary stop today."
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@nike I want to believe this, but I have my doubts.
At this point the rot has worked upward to the Bishops and the College of Cardinals. The Pope.
The seminaries work like police departments, screening out any traditional minded men and rejecting them. There are traditional seminaries but they are few in number. I know that this could be overcome, but it will take generations, certainly not in my lifetime. I will never forgive them for what they have done.
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@CoQ_10 @nike I know some catholics that are liberals that are unhappy in their parishes because they are getting more hardcore. It's mildly amusing to see them dance around what they don't like.
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@sickburnbro @CoQ_10 @nike the catholics I've known love to cherry pic what they want to follow or what they think God meant, i don't care for them in the slightest
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That's every denomination. Members of the Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism or whatever tend to cherry-pick more than Catholics. Even the Eastern churches squabble with each other. No sense dividing over it, point should be to defend our common values and beliefs until we can get on the same page doctrinally.
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@Crux_Invictus @CoQ_10 @nike There is this bad tendency for Christians to gloat at the rot in other denominations, especially Protestant vs Catholic. I refuse to do that. The sickness in Lutheran seminaries is bad and pray that Lutherans get their own crop of tradProts
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@Crux_Invictus @CoQ_10 @nike The article the screenshot is from shows very good thing for us in the RCC. Literally 0 priests ordained from 2020 onward identified as "very progressive"
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@Victor_Emmanuel @CoQ_10 @nike Our sem used to send out very conservative pastors who were a bit too much like newly minted officers ("I am the Lord's annointed!"). Now they've essentially got no students, few instructors, and are "going online" (dead).
We're dealing with a 30 year fight over women's ordination and a movement from the boomer generation to make our worship look like the Pentecostals.
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@CoQ_10 @nike I have a friend who was recently ordained and corroborates this. Screening out the trads is going to be difficult when no one being ordained is "very progressive". They are going to have to give them something simply because the other option would be to leave a seat unfilled.
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@Victor_Emmanuel @CoQ_10 @nike >tfw the Roman Catholic Church is having problems
>but so are the Lutherans
No bantz can hide this pain.
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@CoQ_10 @nike >The seminaries work like police departments, screening out any traditional minded men and rejecting them. There are traditional seminaries but they are few in number. I know that this could be overcome, but it will take generations, certainly not in my lifetime.
They will screen out people who are a bit too socially awkward about it; you can be traditionalist, but don't be the IRL equivalent of a gabfugee sperging about deus vult and such. As for getting into the higher ranks, that might be tough, but an earnest man going into seminary to be a priest isn't in it for climbing ranks and clout.
>I will never forgive them for what they have done.
Do not forget, but you need to forgive. I know it's something of an expression, but it's worth mentioning that we're called to forgive. Sorry to be Mr. no-fun, but I don't want their sins to drag you down from reactionary rage.
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@chud @nike @CoQ_10 @sickburnbro My issue is that people trying to come to Christ and struggling with morality listen to the Catholics I've known: "Oh, you can sin all you want, God will forgive you, and live a good life" that is effectively an empty belief.
So I don't need to do anything different, just go to church whenever a holiday is happening and I am saved?
Made me more skeptical of Christ at the time
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Interesting. I've always had the opposite experience. I gravitated to Catholics because they reinforced the importance of avoiding sin/the near occasion of sin while doing the will of the Father, and stress that we shouldn't presume God's mercy by saying "well I can just confess later" - while Protestants told me I can do whatever I want, once I accept Christ ("Once saved, always saved")
Maybe it's geographical or something
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@chud @nike @CoQ_10 @sickburnbro Yeah, it's opposite for me, Southern California.
All the catholics I know love to get drunk and fool around, while praying before meals. Confession was their get out of Hell card they played whenever I asked them about it.
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@Twoinchdestroya @chud @nike @CoQ_10 @sickburnbro Unfortunately there are "cultural Christians" everywhere, and plenty of Catholic ones.
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@Twoinchdestroya @chud @nike @CoQ_10 SoCal was pretty corrosive to a lot of religious beliefs starting in the 50s. Critical mass ( ha ha ) of morally loose people.