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   Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:33:00 JST Wolf480pl

   Does EU Parliament effectively have any power? Or is it just a bunch of comfy seats with comfy pay and zero responsibility?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:33:00 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl like most managed democracies, mostly figureheads for consent laundering i would assume.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:39:57 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao politicians aren't smart enough to recognize when a bill is idiotic?
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:40:00 JST Wolf480pl

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     @takao @icedquinn
     ok but like

     When the European Commission proposes an idiotic bill

     (and it does it with surprising regularity)

     how come we never hear of EU Parliament stopping it?

     why is this always a game between the European Comission and the European Council, and the parliament in the middle seems powerless?

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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:40:01 JST :segasaturn:

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     @icedquinn @wolf480pl regulations agreed in EU parliament have to be implemented with national legislature - so it does have power, just less direct and constrained on paper to competences delegated to it in the treaties (not that it stops them)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:41:37 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao that one was a joke but from what interviews i've seen from a couple outsider politicians, a lot of that stuff is booked beforehand and the people signing on to it get bennies.
     
     protecting plebs doesn't pay bennies, which is why almost nobody does it.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:49:30 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao couldn't say when it comes to dumping politicians in places. the scams i've heard of mostly have to do with basically buying them off indirectly, they obey their sponsor as much as possible, and pretend to be dumb or not understand things if they get caught.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:49:31 JST Wolf480pl

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     @takao @icedquinn
     Oh, ok, a feedback loop.

     EU parliament is useless -> use it as retirement for poloticians who fucked up

     EU parliament is full of politicians who fucked up -> EU parliament is useless

     ?

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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:49:32 JST :segasaturn:

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     @wolf480pl @icedquinn two reasons mostly:

     1. because EU elections are a joke and used as a way of dumping scandal-ridden or incompetent but nevertheless influential politicians away from the local political scene - where they would be visible and damage national party's reputation
     2. because it's just illusory democracy where you elect someone but they still are in a EU-wide massive party, and follow their orders (which are a result of shady deals and agreements)
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:52:45 JST Wolf480pl

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     @takao @icedquinn
     what if EP was allowed to propose amendments?

     (let's for a moment ignore whether such a change would pass and pretend it magically passed, would it make things better?)

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:52:45 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao i would dissolve all that shit you guys do over there. shouldn't even be possible to propose multinational laws until a majority of member states have already 1) decided they need to solve it with laws, and 2) have made laws locally, and 3) established those laws work and are worth federating.
     
     top-down is tyranny, bottom-up is democracy.
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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:52:46 JST :segasaturn:

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     @wolf480pl @icedquinn more or less, but they're also incompetent and wholly unprepared to think critically about what they're voting for. EC - a fucking executive body - is also the only entitled party to propose legislation, and they tend to pack a lot of nasty shit alongside actually useful regulations. It's a fucked up system and it will not heal.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:54:09 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao yup :ablobcatderpy:
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 20:54:10 JST Wolf480pl

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     @icedquinn @takao
     do you live in the US?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 21:02:24 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao i have noticed that the USA is a lot better than Europe with regards to analytics. we have websites that do let us download the full text of bills on the floor and they show who all voted what.
     
     the few times i looked at fedi brits complaining about some law, i couldn't find a pdf of it. but in the usa we always have them :blobcatdunno: (well, once the law is public.)
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 21:02:28 JST Wolf480pl

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     @takao @icedquinn
     that'd require caring...

     Maybe if the media started highlighting who voted for some bill, instead of letting the blame fall for "the EU", "the European Commision", "Ursula", and "Germans"

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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 21:02:29 JST :segasaturn:

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     @wolf480pl @icedquinn maybe, if people stopped voting in trash. It'd certainly be a step in a slightly better direction, at the very least.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 21:03:28 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @takao the federal government here has been slowly corrupted in to a top-down power establishment, so probably not.
     
     it was originally designed with strict limitations to prevent that.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 02-May-2024 21:03:29 JST Wolf480pl

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     @icedquinn @takao
     is US congress any better?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 03-May-2024 01:04:13 JST iced depresso

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     @wolf480pl @ranfdev @takao i think there were some call to actions about the 'meme ban' but it didn't amount to much
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 03-May-2024 01:04:15 JST Wolf480pl

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     @ranfdev @icedquinn @takao yeah, checking that stuff is effort, and media & national politicians only say vaguely about EU legislation, and in a non-actionable-scaremongery way.

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     Lorenzo (ranfdev@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Friday, 03-May-2024 01:04:23 JST Lorenzo

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     @icedquinn @wolf480pl @takao If you want to see every list of proposals made in the EU, with a detailed list of votes, I guess this is the page you're are looking for:

     https://www.europarl.europa.eu/plenary/en/votes.html?tab=votes

     I agree that EU citizens don't seem to be involved much with the decisions taken by the parliament.

     I've read many posts by US people writing "Representative X voted against this bill, call him, make him change his mind" or something like that.

     I've never heard an EU citizen saying something like that.