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people will argue online but come poll time vote for the same stuff they always chose before
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@cell I don't vote 👍
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@ElDeadKennedy @cell I don't know.
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@sun @cell how many people you'd say don't vote in the US?
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@ElDeadKennedy @sun in ID voting isn’t mandatory, but in SG it is
the punishment for not voting in the latter is simple beautiful and elegant - you lose your ability to vote
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@cell @ElDeadKennedy I don't think it should be mandatory because most people can't run their own life let alone decide for other people who can how the country is run.
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@sun @cell here it's mandatory so pretty much everyone votes
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@cell @ElDeadKennedy I believe if you're ruled you should have a voice somehow in that process but I can't get around the fact that people don't really know what's good. Also our process is really bad so it doesn't create outcomes that generally match what people want anyway.
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@cell @ElDeadKennedy things are certainly complicated when you are not a citizen and probably a large number of people don't even want you around.
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@sun @ElDeadKennedy when you live abroad you have to accept the fact that your xenophobic neighbor is going to be the one deciding your life and you yourself have no political power to change things
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@cell @ElDeadKennedy there's pretty well established supreme court rulings about what rights you have as just being in the country as a non-citizen. but this is complicated if the protest is civil disobedience where you're breaking laws. I lol when shitlibs complain that protests have to break the law to be taken seriously. That doesn't mean I have to tolerate it, that means you have to win.
personally I have no problem with non-citizens protesting, unless its people here illegally.
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@sun @ElDeadKennedy i’m just surprised in the west you let foreigners protest
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@cell there is an interesting problem where you vote for representatives every like two years or something, and senators six, but that's it. there is no punishment mechanism whatsoever to keep them in line other than the threat of not being reelected, which itself requires you to hold the torch for up to six years.
i concluded its pointless until punishment games come in to play. literally nothing stops them from just saying words, getting in, and selling out like they always do.
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@cell which is exactly what they do. even if a new speaker gets installed, they just immediately ship all the money overseas anyway. new shitheel same as the last.
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@icedquinn @cell anything important in congress is controlled by committees which are controlled by parties. you always get the same kind of candidate because of this
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@sun @cell thats why you need punishment games or the republic is just a fraud
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@sun @cell ex. if you vote against your states interest, recall & banned permanently from all offices.
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@icedquinn @cell my dad is not the smartest guy in the room but he took me at an early age voting with him and he told me the best use of your vote is removing incumbents and recalling all judges. you can't get what you want but you can damage entrenched power. the smartest take on voting i've heard yet.
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@sun @cell nobody should have a say in judges. one term only, sortition.
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