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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 17:20:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

Not sure who needs to hear this... but... honey bees throughout the world are an **invasive** species. They are only native to Europe. Stop trying to save invasive species!
#Bees #HoneyBees #BumbleBees

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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 17:29:41 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Sorry I should have said :the americas not "the world"... it is native to asia, africa and Europe but not to the americas.
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  Lukas Brausch (lukasbrausch@mastodontech.de)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 17:29:43 JST Lukas Brausch
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  @freemo Are you sure? @wikipedia states: "Honey bees appear to have their center of origin in South and Southeast Asia (including the Philippines), as all the extant species except Apis mellifera are native to that region. Notably, living representatives of the earliest lineages to diverge (Apis florea and Apis andreniformis) have their center of origin there." (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee).
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    Honey bee
    
    A honey bee (also spelled honeybee) is a eusocial flying insect within the genus Apis of the bee clade, all native to mainland Afro-Eurasia. After bees spread naturally throughout Africa and Eurasia, humans became responsible for the current cosmopolitan distribution of honey bees, introducing multiple subspecies into South America (early 16th century), North America (early 17th century), and Australia (early 19th century).Honey bees are known for their construction of perennial colonial nests from wax, the large size of their colonies, and surplus production and storage of honey, distinguishing their hives as a prized foraging target of many animals, including honey badgers, bears and human hunter-gatherers. Only 8 surviving species of honey bee are recognized, with a total of 43 subspecies, though historically 7 to 11 species are recognized. Honey bees represent only a small fraction of the roughly 20,000 known species of bees. The best known honey bee is the western honey bee, (Apis mellifera), which was domesticated for honey production and crop pollination. The only other domesticated bee is the eastern...
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  Don Thompson (guardeddon@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 18:41:03 JST Don Thompson
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  @freemo European humans? ( /S )
  
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  Human Change?=Work Together!🔁 (freeschool@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:25:42 JST Human Change?=Work Together!🔁
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  @freemo Isn't it kind of that "We're all invasive to some level" or "They're / Animals are all invasive to some level" - even on a slider as measurement, just working with each other seems the solution and key to it all... and then letting things die or not...
  It's a fine line and "Stop trying to save invasive species!" could be taken in many ways in other scenarios.... but yeah I was imagining the "saving capitalistic people or not" as another scenario... let them die? Maybe!
  (just don't know the answer to these things of saving what is nature / and then what might look bad even though Capitalist people are surely more x than y as damage / carelessness / uncaring behaviour)
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:32:52 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @freeschool All invasive species are nonnative. So native species are **never** considered invasive.
  
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  Human Change?=Work Together!🔁 (freeschool@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:50:20 JST Human Change?=Work Together!🔁
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  @freemo But this again might be just a timeline thing and considering evolution progresses we might need to accept diversity (just it's more better and fun for us with some moderation and control) and so we could welcome it / figure to live with both (which is maybe what you're saying also).
  The perspective of native / non-native seems a bit of a human perspective and binary / slightly discriminatory as it's all evolving and maybe surely we can't keep it all native unless everything is staying more static 'over there' and 'not here'...
  Don't want to take to extreme but I hope it's not unfair comparison to imagine people in same way and if 'in theory' we or those elements could be educated / moderated then less fascism 'could' exist but then again it does seem 'them or us' in this example... Maybe should stick to #native / non-native but it rings strongly of #indigenous and non-indigenous with world is changing, which is no doubt going to happen either way it seems...
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 13:54:32 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  why would these honey-making bees native to the Americas not qualify as honey bees?
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    Stingless bees (SB), sometimes called stingless honey bees or simply meliponines, are a large group of bees (from about 462 to 552 described species), comprising the tribe Meliponini (or subtribe Meliponina according to other authors). They belong in the family Apidae (subfamily Apinae), and are closely related to common honey bees (HB, tribe Apini), orchid bees (tribe Euglossini), and bumblebees (tribe Bombini). These four bee tribes belong to the corbiculate bees monophyletic group. Meliponines have stingers, but they are highly reduced and cannot be used for defense, though these bees exhibit other defensive behaviors and mechanisms. Meliponines are not the only type of bee incapable of stinging: all male bees and many female bees of several other families, such as Andrenidae and Megachilidae (tribe Dioxyini), also cannot sting.Some stingless bees have powerful mandibles and can inflict painful bites. Some species can present large mandibular glands for the secretion of caustic defense substances, secrete unpleasant smells or use sticky materials to immobilise enemies.The main honey producing bees of this...
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 13:56:53 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @lxo Honey bees are a specific species of bee Stingless Bees, while producing some honey, are not "Honey Bees" . They are also not typically the sort of bee you see. We are talking Aparis Serena.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 14:58:47 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  yeah, but my question was why the term "honey bees" wouldn't apply to these other animals that are also bees that make honey. it sounds inconsistent and discriminatory to me. though I suppose the affected bees wouldn't care so much one way or the other ;-)
  now, Brazilian native stingless bees are far more common visitors to my home than the exotic honey bees. they're far more welcome, too ;-)
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 15:03:02 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @lxo Because they produce much less honey and therefore not particularly useful for honey production.
  
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