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     Receiver of memes (nom@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 16:37:08 JST Receiver of memes

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     @mint NT was an offshoot of Carnegie Mellon's Mach Microkernel. Basically, Microsquish hired everyone they could who mattered away from that effort. NeXT adopted Mach which seemed to fuel it all.

     Linux responded by trying to just make a better monolithic system, which is damned interesting. Mostly coz they've succeeded.

     All this memory protection stuff is overrated. Mostly, unless you download "apps" all over the place, it's the web browser you need to keep in a sandboxed memory range.

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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 16:37:48 JST 

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     @nom Was it? I thought they adopted the VMS design, not Mach.
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     @mint @nom Yeah it was mainly a take on VMS by ex-Digital employees but they did poach some Mach personnel to work on it from Carnegie Mellon as well
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     @mint We have so much RAM now that we could probably partition a segment for browsing, a segment for games and then the rest for casual programs.

     Instead we gots this rigid system we work within + now the chips are all corralled into those same architectures.

     Tough luck I guess for anyone who wants t'a "think differn't" . But now GPUs are here which feature some of the 'good chaos' you advocate! As we move to those we'll have another chance maybe.

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     @mint My ex-boss Who-iggins used to tell me that DOS was what was lifted from VMS. I know there was fear from the Microsoft side that NeXT was on the right track and could eat their lunch==>NT

     The NeXT crew was very small so they were able to do initial implementation but had a tough time keeping everything up to date. That was fixed when they "acquired" Apple hehe and got flooded with cash

     Mach progress had slowed coz they were poached... but almost a decade had passed so there was progress

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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 16:52:02 JST 

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     @nom >DOS was what was lifted from VMS
     Yeah, that's bullshit. If anything, it was lifted from CP/M. VMS was multi-user and multi-process, something that DOS lacks (if you ignore clutches like TSRs).
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     @mint @nom And CP/M had a lot of influence from TOPS-10, which both Microsoft cofounders also used while they were at Harvard. The novel features in DOS 2.x (hierarchical filesystems etc.) were directly inspired by Unix and OS/2 later forked off of DOS in order to implement a preemptively multitasking multi threaded operating system with a graphical user interface that could directly compete with Unix features wise without being beholden to AT&T or their licensing department.
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     @allison @mint What I want is a 500mhz 6502 that can run Apple + Commodore software w/ a DSP on the side that runs a similar standarized command-line system.

     Then the DSP or main processor can talk to a GPU card which hopefully will also have a similar command-line system.

     Give them variants of the same interface and try like hell to get rid of the driver interfaces. Let the GPU be the complex thang + handle both video+compute cycles everything else can be pretty simple. Nutty idea I know.

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     @nom @allison >Let the GPU be the complex thang + handle both video+compute cycles everything else can be pretty simple. Nutty idea I know.
     Sounds like Commander X16, I think it uses a regular 6502 (with regular clocks) as a processor but has a vastly overengineered FPGA-based graphics system.
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     @nom >DOS was a simplified Xenix DOS
     MS-DOS evolved from QDOS/86-DOS, Xenix was an unrelated product. MS did experiment with some Unix-like paradigms (like pipes and device paths) in 2.0, but the core stayed relatively the same.
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     @mint Golly even at the time around 1985 there was a lot of argument about that. DOS was a simplified Xenix DOS 1.0 and I think 2.0 had the ability to either operate in DOS or Unix mode with a small config.sys tweak as I recall.

     You could run several CP/M instances on an AT mchine simultaneously if you wanted.

     usoft's unhappiness with Xenix drove a lot of the move toward the VMS direction, where there was apparently more cooperation.

     Nobody can ever agree on this so it's ok. 🙂

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     @mint @allison CommanderX16 is a piece of shit. It solves nothing and just creates a brand new set of problems. And it does nothing it promised at the beginning. A project built on lies+hidden agenda imho.

     WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT IT TURNED OUT TO BE!!! imho.

     For me it was the biggest disappointment of this century.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 17:04:43 JST 翠星石

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     @mint >it was lifted from CP/M.
     Bill Gates bought an unrestricted license including source for a Dirty Operating System from someone when he needed to come up with the OS that he promised IBM he had.
     
     That developer most likely copied some things from another OS, but there was no complaints, as it would be an embarrassment to claim your code was in DOS.
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     Daniel (daniel@campduffel.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Apr-2024 16:18:03 JST Daniel

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     @mint https://youtu.be/6ovsKnljcIk

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