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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:34:57 JST Sick Sun
   UBI seems like a fundamentally flawed concept in a hypercapitalist consumption-glorifying culture, if you gave people free money then the people that manipulate human psychology are going to take it. Instead of making art people are going to sit inside and watch Marvel movies. I'm not blaming them I'm blaming the environment we're in.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:36:55 JST iced depresso

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     > if you gave people free money then the people that manipulate human psychology are going to take it
     
     this is a very old problem. there's lines in richest man in babylon about a babylonian king frustrated because he keeps doing all these public works to "create jobs" and the money just ends up with the merchants again
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:37:39 JST Sick Sun

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     • 『VRISKA』
     @vriska I agree. Instead of saying UBI is flawed I should have just said that I don't think it will result in an explosion of creativity. There will probably be some.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:37:40 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun its still arguably better for people to sit and watch marvel movies comfortably than it is for them to do the kinds of things they would be doing to lead a life that qualifies them for such

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:39:30 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • 『VRISKA』
     @vriska @sun At least I feel like it wouldn't be that different from bullshit jobs.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:42:51 JST Sick Sun

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     • Erato Heti
     @Erato_Heti Nixon supposedly toyed with the idea as a way to reduce the power of the federal government.
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     Erato Heti (erato_heti@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:42:52 JST Erato Heti

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     @sun UBI is a scam entirely yea
     
     "The answer is already in the history of UBI, going back to Milton fucking Friedman of all people: The argument in favor of UBI from the point of view of politicians looking to reduce spending that they can put towards other programs that they need to earmark through Congress in order to appease their lobbyists and continue to get elected is that UBI is a simpler, and therefore cheaper, alternative to the current social welfare system." - Nyx Land
     
     https://unlife.nyx.land/posts/ubi.html#fn.2
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     Erato Heti (erato_heti@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:44:27 JST Erato Heti

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     • Erato Heti
     @sun anti federalism strikes in the night again
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     Erato Heti (erato_heti@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:44:28 JST Erato Heti

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     @sun thats interesting!
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     new me new me (lebronjames75@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:47:58 JST new me new me

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     @sun i think UBI might work to an extent, where it would be up to a minimum-livable-money (im talking vegetating-at-home-eating-rice-and-heinz-beans-only-every-day-no-external-expenses livable, like 300$-a-month-tier in the USA)
     i think that has some potential to be beneficial due to various reasons
     and i simultaneously think going above that for UBI purposes results in 'instant' (translators note: of roughly 1 year's amount of time) catastrophic failure and systematical collapse
     
     and if i think about what i just wrote, then it means "do UBI very little, good. do ubi little, very good. do UBI medium amount, catastrophic failure", which seems like a perfect political slipperry slope to fuck up a country's economy with via populism
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 01:52:50 JST iced depresso

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     • Erato Heti
     @Erato_Heti @sun then you get people like C H Douglas, who arrived at UBI because as an engineer he realized economists are all on cocaine and the economy is broken
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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 02:55:37 JST John Fediverse

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     @sun >Congress passes landmark $500/adult UBI bill
     >Rent immediately jumps $1000 nationwide
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     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 03:45:33 JST 受不了包

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     @sun@shitposter.world i'm in favor of it as an option to streamline state given benefits, reducing red tape, and promoting individual autonomy. i feel like the benefits of reducing government paperwork restrictions and stuff would make up for a lot of the "but you're just giving free money to people" objections

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     THOT POLICE (s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 04:35:38 JST THOT POLICE

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     @shibao @sun this is all retarded we should just not be paid nothing