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   naskya::dev (dev@post.naskya.net)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 22:03:01 JST naskya::dev

   I genuinely wonder why people like the post import feature
   Isn’t it detrimental to implement an easy way to alter the post history

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     naskya::dev (dev@post.naskya.net)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 22:48:58 JST naskya::dev

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     @laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat But it compromises the credibility of everyone’s post history. I think it’s better to have the ability to export the post history as a static web page, like Twitter does. You can even publish the exported page on the web.

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     老周部落 (laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 22:48:59 JST 老周部落

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     @dev@post.naskya.net Fediverse cannot guarantee that each server will always survive, nor can it guarantee that each user will always meet the instance administrator's user expectations.
     Therefore, the import/export function is necessary to allow the data generated by the user to follow the user when the user migrates, just like when most people move, they need to bring their belongings from the old house to the new house.

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     naskya::dev (dev@post.naskya.net)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 23:29:16 JST naskya::dev

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     @laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat true, but tweets are often admitted as evidence in court, so I think it’d be nice if posts on fedi also had a certain degree of evidentiary value, given that no one but server admins can modify the database

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     老周部落 (laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 23:29:17 JST 老周部落

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     @dev@post.naskya.net Fediverse does not have a trustworthy way to guarantee the posting time. Site administrators can modify the posting time of a post at will. The import function implemented by Misskey and others also imports the time provided by JSON. Unless an absolutely independent certification system (similar to the blockchain) is introduced to ensure the absolute accuracy of time marking, the credibility of everynyan’s post history is a false proposition.
     
     Exporting the posting history as a static web page is difficult to search and consult by others, and the threshold for ordinary users is also high. After all, it cannot be assumed that every Fediverse user can skillfully register a domain name and associate services such as Pages to build an archive website.

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     naskya::dev (dev@post.naskya.net)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:11:22 JST naskya::dev

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     @laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat I’m not a lawyer, but I suspect that fedi posts may have some evidentiary value, considering that access logs of random small web servers are admitted as evidence in some cybercrime cases...

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     老周部落 (laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:11:24 JST 老周部落

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     @dev@post.naskya.net Maybe with the continuous development of the fediverse, maybe mastodon.social may be able to get this treatment after several years, but it is not applicable to most programs and users.

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     老周部落 (laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:11:25 JST 老周部落

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     @dev@post.naskya.net A very serious problem is that the court can trust Twitter not to modify the time of the database at will, but it is impossible to trust a random server administrator not to modify the time of the database at will.
     A more suitable way to build trust at the evidence level is a notarized certificate, a postmark (just an example, and does not represent any legal advice) and other methods that have their own trustworthy timestamps.

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     Dalek ☕🫰 (dalekcoffee@oshi.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:45:53 JST Dalek ☕🫰

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     @dev@post.naskya.net @laozhoubuluo@dvd.chat
     
     my two cents on this:
     
     From a user experience perspective tbh I LOVE port imports.
     
     I kept hearing that fedi was this awesome place where you can move servers whenever you want, yet every time I migrated between mastodon servers I lost my past.
     
     Same if I just wanted to change my username since that involves migrating as well
     
     And the thing is yeah we can download our archives, but you know, some of us want social networking as opposed to a personal private diary/journal
     
     But as far as how the law will handle these, that will be quite interesting. We will have to see how it shapes out, but I suspect feds will have to gain extensive experience on how the particular fediverse software being operated works to argue for or against the legitimacy of posts and prosecutors will have to call on expert witnesses to support their claims
     
     At the end of the day though, before it reaches those levels, they are far more likely to scrape the profile as-is (maybe with a warrant to get a point in time archive) and present it to the subject of their investigation trying to get them to indirectly confirm they made those posts.
     
     (Pls no hate LOL) I was police at one point. And there were times where I would not ask "did you do X" I would ask "why did you do x" or "how did you do x" and often people would confess as to why/how as opposed to outright denying it.
     
     SEVERAL more factors existed around the conversation and how they were caught of course, but I am just saying that how someone is approached with evidence, even when it isn't 100% concrete yet, has a potential of uncovering the truth behind it and also validating it. If they deny it, that's when I think the expert witness and data forensics teams will do much more for the case

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