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   Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 12:03:43 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

   • John Gruber
   • Daring Fireball

   Great post by @gruber on @daringfireball!

   Although I understand the #EuropeanUnion’s 🇪🇺 advocacy for privacy & equal access, if they advocate #Meta, #Google & #Apple adhere to polices that negatively impact their finances long term or face draconian fines, all three will exit the #EU 🇪🇺.

   Stock holders in #America 🇺🇸 would revolt if the big three could not justify sustaining massive losses.

   👉🏾 Daring Fireball: More on the EU’s Market Might https://daringfireball.net/2024/03/more_on_the_eus_market_might

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 16:08:55 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Paweł Orzech

     @pawel @gruber @daringfireball If Apple, Google & Meta left Europe, the region as a whole would survive, but it would cause a tech recession in the area. On the flip side, it would benefit the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 & other nations in Europe who are not in the European Union 🇪🇺, as tech giants would probably relocate there.

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     Paweł Orzech (pawel@wspanialy.eu)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 16:08:57 JST Paweł Orzech

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     @darnell @gruber @daringfireball I think European Parliament is taking it into consideration but would rather make them exit than abuse their power. Also fuck big corporations.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 16:32:50 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • John Gruber
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     • Paweł Orzech

     @pawel @gruber @daringfireball Nothing is too good to pass on. Throw enough obstales and economic pain & businesses will leave.

     I have seen this happen in both the United States 🇺🇸 & China 🇨🇳, where companies have left both nations after it became too expensive or cumbersome to do business.

     The same could happen to any nation in Europe as well. Remember, these are American companies beholden to primarily American stock holders.

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     Paweł Orzech (pawel@wspanialy.eu)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 16:32:52 JST Paweł Orzech

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     @darnell @gruber @daringfireball I think they wouldn’t pass on Europe in the end and would just make all the needed changes. But if they would, I think in the end we would be fine - people would find alternatives and maybe there wouldn’t be a monopoly in terms of services provided by these companies. But they won’t exit EU. A few years ago France passed some news related regulations that forced changes in Facebook and Google and they just made the changes to still operate there. You have to force big corporations to do stuff, they will adhere to the laws because Europe is too good to pass on.

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     amonduin (amonduin@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 23:18:50 JST amonduin

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     • Daring Fireball
     • Paweł Orzech

     @darnell @pawel @gruber @daringfireball
     The main problem I see is that Gruber et al. haven't really demonstrated how opening up the platform is actually going to lead to Apple losing money. The App Store doesn't make up the majority of their profits so how does losing it lead to losses?

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 23:18:50 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • amonduin

     @amonduin @pawel @gruber @daringfireball Running the App Store is not cheap (bandwidth, downloads, storing apps in multiple, secure locations worldwide, etcetera) so it has to ultimately pay for itself.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 23:25:29 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • amonduin

     @pawel @amonduin @gruber @daringfireball That is simple: it comes down to money. There is a reason why Google & Meta are not in China 🇨🇳 but Apple is, although the latter is quickly trying to relocate as much production to India 🇮🇳 right now.

     👉🏾 China 🇨🇳 Set To Lose Out to India 🇮🇳 in Apple’s iPhone 16 https://www.newsweek.com/apple-china-india-batteries-iphone16-manufacturing-foxconn-1850298

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     amonduin (amonduin@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 23:25:31 JST amonduin

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     @darnell @pawel @gruber @daringfireball

     They might face massive fines (that might make them want to leave) if they try to play games with the law. The laws wouldn't be the problem, Apple's leadership being unwilling to obey local laws is the problem.

     What we actually have is a case of Apple's leadership being willing to throw away all EU profit to protect a small portion of EU profit, which should rightly result in shareholder revolt.

     That isn't smart management, that's just ego.

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     Paweł Orzech (pawel@wspanialy.eu)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 23:25:31 JST Paweł Orzech

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     • amonduin

     @amonduin @darnell @gruber @daringfireball and complying with EU law seems to be a problem but complying with China’s local laws weren’t an issue? Seems fucky to me

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Sunday, 31-Mar-2024 00:12:53 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • amonduin

     @amonduin @pawel @gruber @daringfireball Millions of people downloading massive amounts of data daily is going to be super expensive, regardless of who is running it.

     Apple generates a lot of revenue, but maintaining the App Store is not cheap.

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     amonduin (amonduin@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 31-Mar-2024 00:12:55 JST amonduin

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     @darnell @pawel @gruber @daringfireball Apps that aren't in the App Store don't cost them that money. Additionally, if Apple needs to charge Apps to be in the App Store (a hosting fee say) they should do that. In none of the marketing around the CTF or their rules around IAP have they (recently) talked about App Store costs. They used to, but then the App Store turned into a profit centre and trying to justify the profits simply by claiming its a fee to run the store got harder to do

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     amonduin (amonduin@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 31-Mar-2024 00:44:03 JST amonduin

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     @darnell @pawel @gruber @daringfireball So? Nothing I’ve said suggests that the App Store doesn’t cost money or that Apple shouldn’t find a way to recoup that cost.

     My point is that the only way Apple starts losing money in the EU is if the Executive team continues to stick their heads in the sand to try and save the current scale of App Store profits. The company would still probably make money from the App Store just not a 70% profit margin.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Sunday, 31-Mar-2024 00:44:03 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • amonduin

     @amonduin @pawel @gruber @daringfireball It depends on the cost of the App Store. Most apps downloaded are free, in which Apple receives nothing. Apple probably charges their high commission fees to cover the cost of the apps being downloaded for free: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22448023/epic-apple-fortnite-antitrust-lawsuit-judge-tim-cook-app-store-questions