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   josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:45:01 JST josef

   after months of trying to avoid having to use dropbox on my laptop (running mx linux) i finally bit the bullet and installed it. and you know what happened? you know what happened when i installed their .deb package? it broke X11. i can't use this computer now

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     Flaky (flaky@the9thcircle.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:54 JST Flaky

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     • Riedler

     @jk@mastodon.social @Riedler@mas.to If there's any Linux things that are important, it's usually well-tested. Stuff like servers and "embedded" OSes. Linux on the desktop is unfortunately treated as second class to those. It's understandable as to why, but it sucks for those who are sick of Windows.
     
     (fun fact: the music player I use broke on seeking, because the FLAC library had a bug that screwed up that particular task.)

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     Riedler (riedler@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:55 JST Riedler

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     @jk The truth is that I've broken Windows a bunch of times as well. The key reason why I use Linux now is that I can fuck around, find out, and then fix it again. With windows, this is usually impossible (and good luck with MacOS lol).

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     josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:55 JST josef

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     • Riedler

     @Riedler oh yeah, that sounds fine for like a hobbyist thing. like building your own Z80 on a breadboard. but have you ever experienced a feeling of fear and uncertainty about doing something like "installing a program"? knowing that maybe, you'll fuck up your entire day if you accidentally do something like "install a program" half an hour before an important appointment? how could you trust software like this for something actually critical to your life or your career?

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     Riedler (riedler@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:56 JST Riedler

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     @jk that's because companies don't care if they break your Linux with random shit. I had a friend who downloaded a .run file to install Nvidia drivers. Broke his installation, had to reinstall. What you experienced is the exact same thing. They were both official software which should've been tested enough to not break your entire system. But they don't care and move the blame to Linux itself.

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     josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:57 JST josef

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     this even happened to linus tech tips didn't it? and all the linux fans came up with tons of reasons why it was just a freak occurrence, or why he was especially stupid for having it happen to him. but it happens to me all the time. happens to everybody all the time. you literally need your laptop for something 'real-life important', and then you do something like "install a program", and then you can't use your computer again unless you put in between 1 and 8 hours fixing it

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     josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:58 JST josef

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     i used windows for 10 years. i used a mac for 10 years. ive used linux distros for 10 years. only one of these three categories of things has ever rendered itself inoperable on a regular basis due to me doing completely normal things that anybody would be doing with it

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     josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:44:59 JST josef

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     NEVER USE LINUX

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     josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 23:45:00 JST josef

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     also, i need this laptop today, and im supposed to leave the house in 30 minutes

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     Flaky (flaky@the9thcircle.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Oct-2022 00:23:31 JST Flaky

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     • Riedler

     @Riedler@mas.to @jk@mastodon.social Nope. Quod Libet. The issue affected anything that used Gstreamer for audio playback though, so if deadbeef used that then it'd have the same problems.
     
     It's been fixed now, thankfully, but that made me realise that maybe a rolling release distro wasn't for me.

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     Riedler (riedler@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 22-Oct-2022 00:23:32 JST Riedler

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     • Flaky

     @flaky @jk huh, that sounds like you're using deadbeef… are you? I had a similar problem a year ago or so, but overall, deadbeef is the best music player I've had - ever.