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   Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 09:33:42 JST Mr. Bacon
   literally nobody likes American black culture - once they hit middle class all blacks stop supporting their former “communities”
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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 10:47:43 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     What this American Black culture is? Selling drugs and promiscuity isn't exactly culture — this is just what poor people often do and a lot of black people just happen to be poor.
     And while there sure is "gangster rap", there is quite a lot of hip-hop music criticizing "gangster shit" (the term itself didn't appear out of nowhere) and how it's romanticized — they don't consider it "culture", they consider it a huge problem for their communities, take this album by Master Ace for example: https://mastaace.bandcamp.com/album/the-falling-season
     It's about his high school years, and about being smart enough to understand that he deserves better, about wanting to be a normal school boy, not being involved in typical "nigger shit".
     But being critical of something doesn't necessary mean that you hate it, it often means that you want it to improve. Should I consider all Americans who are critical of US policy anti-american traitors? I don't think so.
     There is this recent movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fiction_(film)
     It's no masterpiece, but it's good. And it's not all what it's about, but it explicitly makes fun of this stereotype — that if you're black you are supposed to be a criminal and adopt particular slang and accent. But it's not about how these things do not exist, it's about how it would be hypocrisy for Black American with a middle-class background to claim that it has anything to do with him/her.
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     @m0xEE @Tony >What this American Black culture
     Its a fake culture, just like "white culture" culture mixed people (and tribal people) they have no real culture leading to the inevitable break down and problems.
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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 10:57:35 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     Exactly! That is why I asked — because what is often understood by it, in US in particular, seems to me like a certain set of stereotypes rather than culture.
     @Tony
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     @m0xEE @Tony The culture mixing here is why there is "racism" since most people try to create culture based of race. It does not work ofc and that is why murica is the way it is today.
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     :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 11:22:04 JST :marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading:

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     @dcc @Tony
     Yeah, US is fucked up pretty badly, but I think Americans will have it sorted out somehow. And I think pretty soon.
     Oh, fun thing that I've just recalled just now — this Black Panther movie. I don't hate American black people — I listen to a lot of this hip-hop stuff, that is where I know some of this from, but this of course doesn't mean that I like each and every one of them or that I'm supposed to be an avid BLM supporter (in fact even a lot of black people were against what it was eventually turned into) — racism is real, but me supporting it would be hypocrisy, because Russians have never had black slaves, in fact, there were Black people in Russia who have been nobility, e.g. one of Napolean's generals, I can't recall his name, but after Napoleanic wars he had stayed in Russia til his very death and of course he wasn't treated as slave.
     But anyway, I have digressed — this Black Panther movie, it's like if you don't hate black people you're supposed to watch it and be like: "Oh, Wakanda, wow!"— but when I've been watching it I was like: "Oh my god, it's so racist! It's so full of stereotypes!" — it's like if you're black, you're supposed to play basketball, and all this tribal shit… What their "scientist" does in the movie is bordering with shamanism, like black people are incapable of traditional science and could only achieve something because they have found this metal. I felt shame throughout most of its runtime — and I've been surprised to find out later that people actually like it and no one considered it offensive, this is so fucked up :marseyfacepalm:
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 11:22:22 JST Mr. Bacon

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     From my experience the only blacks in america who ACTUALLY think black people are oppressed are the educated ones and the kids. Most like 35+ black dudes who have to work for a living don't have time for that shit OR are already in jail...lol
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