So the “left” is just fully xenophobic and stealing companies to give to other rich people now. Cool! https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/biden-backs-effort-to-force-sale-of-tiktok-by-chinese-owners-ba989656
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:35:20 JST Ryan💋
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:42:22 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek This is true of every government. This is extremely true of the US government. This is extremely true of the French government. This is extremely true of the Russian government. This is extremely true of the South Korean government.
Require them to do whatever you want them to do. Other than hosting the data here, which they’re doing, what else do you want?
To think it’s different than any other tech company is bizarre. How is it different than any other Chinese tech company?
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:42:23 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan I think there are some legitimate concerns about how much access the Chinese government has to Tiktok user data with the parent company being based in China. There are workarounds for this that Tiktok could implement and, as far as I know, has not.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:53:47 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek do American companies do this
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:53:49 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan What they could do to remove this problem is to engineer the systems such that they themselves have no direct access to the data. A company incorporated and operated in a jurisdiction outside of China would act as a data custodian. They would have sole access to the infrastructure, and ByteDance would have to filter any requests for data through them. This would help ensure due process is followed.
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:53:52 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan It's no different than any other chinese tech company. The problem is that it is a chinese tech company and it is a vote of no confidence in the chinese government. Tech firms can and do and have succeeded in fighting government requests for data in the US and EU. They would not have that choice in China.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:54:14 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek The Chinese government has never done anything to me personally that I know of, but the US government has done some awful shit with my data so excuse me if I don’t give a fuck
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:55:24 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek That’s funny because the CIA and FBI are doing a bang up job getting all of it
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 09:55:26 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan Yes.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:00:14 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ok 👍
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:00:15 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan They don't do it for all data, only data that has locality requirements. And for that data, the CIA and FBI don't get shit without going through the appropriate legal process in those jurisdictions.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:00:48 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry still going hahahahahaha hahahahahahaha I’ll just put the phone down sorry about this hahahahahahahahaha
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:04:42 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek That you trust that performative stuff any more than the Chinese government it just means we are operating from very different understandings of what’s happening, but I wish you the best
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:04:43 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan If you think that that's not true you don't know the things that I know. Which is fine, most people don't know them and I can't share most of those things publicly. But if you'd spend some time on google you can find legal cases where big tech has fought the DOJ and won, forcing them to go through due process in international courts to get data from non-US citizens.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:13:59 JST Ryan💋
@DrGeof I believe he did factually do that and that the existence of the Wall Street Journal is not going to be contingent on how many clicks they get so who cares
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:17:27 JST Ryan💋
@ThirstyGayGeek I do not think that everything behind-the-scenes at tech companies like Google and Microsoft and Amazon and Verizon are accurately reflected in the court system. I do not think our data stays out of the hands of a government with access to the exact same data market as everyone else. I think they can break encryption just fine. This is not about data and which TikToks I liked. They have that. Everyone wealthy enough has that.
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OG Gay Geek (thirstygaygeek@gaygeek.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:17:28 JST OG Gay Geek
@ryanhoulihan You hit the nail on the head with the phrase "that I know of". Forcing due process adds transparency and accountability that isn't present under the CCP's totalitarian regime. There's no such thing as a perfect system (root knows the US gov. is certainly not perfect) but given the choice between having that transparency and accountability and not having it... I choose the lesser evil.
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Ryan💋 (ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:54:16 JST Ryan💋
@hwyaden if they nationalized it great
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hwyaden (hwyaden@toot.wales)'s status on Saturday, 09-Mar-2024 10:54:17 JST hwyaden
@ryanhoulihan Sounds good to me, but maybe nationalize it. Also, maybe a couple Canadian mining companies plus BP.
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