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   Incident Creator ❎ (vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:37:57 JST Incident Creator ❎

   • malevolent dictator for life

   @astrid I understand that like emacs there is a vi emulator so you can use a decent editor.

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:37:55 JST screwlisp

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     @vik
     I read rms' classic article on emacs last week, where he underscores that the point was to drag secretaries who weren't going to be given computer science opportunities into the world of lisp programming by way of customising their officework screen editor for themselves.
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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:00 JST screwlisp

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     I thought so! But in all seriousness, I think a good point of contrast is the experience people often share with me about their personal development into programming using spreadsheet =FORMULA stuff.
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     signaleleven (signaleleven@social.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:02 JST signaleleven

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     • screwlisp

     @screwtape @vik @astrid visual basic for applications 😅
     It was half serious, half shitposting

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:03 JST screwlisp

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     @signaleleven
     What is VBA standing for there? The idea was that it's a popular screen editor for text and such, but it benefits a lot from increasing personal customisations which are intended to gradually pull the professional non-programmer into being a lisp programmer personally.
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     signaleleven (signaleleven@social.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:04 JST signaleleven

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     • screwlisp

     @screwtape @vik @astrid so... Like VBA?

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     signaleleven (signaleleven@social.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:07 JST signaleleven

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     @screwtape @vik @astrid agreed. VBA was a step too far already, excel (spreadsheet software in general) had features that blurred the line between "I'm using a program" and "I'm creating a program".
     I wish something pulled me towards functional programming. It's so alien now, for me.

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:11 JST screwlisp

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     @signaleleven
     I think the distinction we're talking about here is a residential source system rather than a functional language. So I would say spreadsheet =FORMULAs are an example of a residential system, smalltalk, many lisps, ..
     One thing I'm wrestling with is getting this civilised in my lisp useage. It's kinda funny reading futuristic concepts in 50 year old articles.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 19:38:14 JST clacke

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     > It's kinda funny reading futuristic concepts in 50 year old articles.

     @screwtape A friend once said, or possibly multiple friends on multiple occasions said, that there are myriad business opportunities available just reading 1960s and 1970s computer science papers and picking up something that modern practice hasn't caught up to yet.

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