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   z428 (z428@loma.ml)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 21:31:58 JST z428
   Still then and now wonder whether to recommend people to also use #Hubzilla for certain purposes but as long as not even importing contacts from Mastodon or other systems is something to be accomplished reasonably easy, this is a hard thing to try. 🙁
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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2024 05:07:10 JST Jupiter Rowland

     • Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
     @Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) The high risk is that people come straight from Mastodon, the only Fediverse project they're used to, to Hubzilla in expectation of something that works and handles like Mastodon plus whatever extra stuff on top Hubzilla has that attracted them. I mean, there are people who came to Hubzilla simply because they wanted more than 500 characters.
     
     And then they end up tripping over things that make Hubzilla not more than Mastodon but unexpectedly different from Mastodon. The one-post-many-comments conversation model. The permissions settings that don't even default to the same behaviour as Mastodon which doesn't even really know such a thing as permissions. "Quote-toots" but no boosts. No content warning field until they find out that it's that thing labelled "Summary" for some reason. No alt-text field. Hopelessly outdated user documentation that also reads like a tech spec. No local timeline, no federated timeline. Everything being named differently. Generally, Hubzilla not mollycoddling its users, not even newbies. And so on.
     
     I mean, some return to Mastodon with a "Hubzilla sucks" verdict because they failed to connect to even one of their old Mastodon acquaintances, because nothing and nobody told them right off the bat that they have to turn ActivityPub on first, much less how to do that.
     
     If many more Mastodon users tried out Hubzilla and really tried, there would be more voices demanding Hubzilla be much more like Mastodon. Just like there are Twitter refugees on Mastodon who, after many months of using Mastodon, still can't get used to its differences from Twitter and demand things be just like on Twitter, including a secret-sauce algorithm that automagically fills their personal timeline with exactly what they want to read without themselves having to do anything (not that 𝕏 actually did that) and sends their post to the local timelines of everyone who's interested in that.
     
     #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Hubzilla
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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2024 17:41:53 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼
     @Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
     "two big fails" - what are you talking about?
     
     wasn't technically possible to receive messages from unknown contacts.
     actually this is one of the advantages of HZ that you can have control over this... the default setting is that you don't receive this kind of messages-- yes
     
     but if you really want receive messages from unknown contacts go to
     
     /settings
     select" custom role"
     got to
     
     /settings/privacy
     an set under ADVANCED configuration
     the permission:
     
     "Can send me their channel stream and posts"
     To
     "Anybody authenticated"
     
     and maybe also
     
     "Can comment on or like my posts"
     to
     "Anybody authenticated"
     or even
     "Anybody on the internet"
     
     With this last option you turn your HZ Channel to a Blog whitch can be commented by anybody on the internet and not just by fedi folks - can you do that with any other fedi app? No Fail at all
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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2024 18:31:03 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     • Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
     @Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) I'm sorry - don't know what your are talking about...