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   Gerry McGovern (gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:19:06 JST Gerry McGovern

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   I was talking to an ecological economist a while back and she was saying that fairness was crucial to dealing with overconusmption. That is the society is fair, people don't feel near as much a need to "keep up with the Joneses'" because their aren't any Joneses. A motto may be: "Nobody gets too high. Nobody let fall too low."

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     dr elmyra (elmyra@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:19:07 JST dr elmyra

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     @Syulang @gerrymcgovern I think what the degrowth rhetoric increasingly glosses over in an effort to appease the middle classes is the need for concurrent radical redistribution. Not just from the private jet owning classes either. That article gives me the creeps because it's very much "you'll still have your lawn and white picket fence, you'll just work three days a week".

     pettter repeated this.
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     Syulang (syulang@aus.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:19:08 JST Syulang

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     @elmyra @gerrymcgovern My view is that #degrowth is inevitable and unavoidable simply because infinite growth is literally impossible and always has been.

     The question is thus not "Should we pursue degrowth?" but rather "Do we want a managed and organised degrowth, shaped and influenced by human society and our democratic wishes. Or, do we wait for catastrophic, uncontrolled degrowth dished out by natural forces that neither knows nor cares of our collective hopes, dreams and aspirations for society?"

     If we have any concern whatsoever for bodycount, we will go with the former.

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     dr elmyra (elmyra@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:19:09 JST dr elmyra

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     @gerrymcgovern I want to see degrowth supporters set out visions for how we will support the most vulnerable in our society. This piece is pitched to the middle classes (and I do understand the need to appease the middle classes) but I need to see how we will support disabled people, homeless people, poor people, refugees (economic, climate, and otherwise).

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     Gerry McGovern (gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:19:10 JST Gerry McGovern

     Degrowth is the only hope

     Imagine a world where you work three or four days a week. In your free time, you play sports, spend time with loved ones, garden, and engage with local politics. Overnight shipping, advertising, private jets, billionaires and SUVs no longer exist, but health care, education, and clean electricity are free and available to all.

     We must massively reduce our energy and material consumption to have any hope of saving our environment.

     https://grist.org/looking-forward/the-growing-popularity-of-degrowth/

     Aral Balkan and band repeated this.
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     Gerry McGovern (gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green)'s status on Sunday, 25-Feb-2024 03:30:13 JST Gerry McGovern

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     They say that degrowth is utopian and delusional. But what could be more utopian and delusional than believing you can infinitely grow, consume, waste and pollute on a finite planet?