Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Wilson (other_ghosts@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 18-Feb-2024 16:05:27 JST Wilson

   Purportedly an article about the IDF targeting humanitarian aid convoys in Gaza, the author and the US mouthpiece being quoted nevertheless tie themselves into absurd knots trying to blame the lack of basic necessities in Gaza on "desperate Palestinians," "criminal elements," and, of course, Hamas.

   Reuters:
   "Israel Struck Palestinian Police Escorting Gaza Aid, Says US Envoy"

   'Satterfield said the U.S. was working with the Israeli government and military to determine "what solutions can be found because everyone wants the assistance to continue."

   'In addition to the threat posed by criminals, aid distribution is hampered by "the rising value of humanitarian assistance" leaking into the black market, Satterfield said.

   'He denied allegations that Hamas has stolen aid and commercial shipments into Gaza, saying that no Israeli official has presented him or the Biden administration with “specific evidence of diversion or theft of assistance."

   'But, he continued, Hamas has been using other aid delivery channels to "shape where and to whom assistance goes."'

   @palestine #genocide #gaza

   https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-02-16/israel-struck-palestinian-police-escorting-gaza-aid-says-us-envoy

   • AnthonyJK-Admin repeated this.
   • Embed this notice
     Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧 (f800gecko@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 18-Feb-2024 16:05:27 JST Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧

     in reply to

     @other_ghosts @palestine

     Any organized effort by Palestinians to relieve suffering help themselves is going to be labelled ‘Hamas’ and ‘antisemitic’ by Israel.

     That’s the game that’s being played as we witness the concentration camp home of 2M+ people being razed to make room for our self-described racially superior Israeli pals.

     The West is complicit.

     We’re as up to our necks in Palestinian blood as Netanyahu’s IDF gunmen.

     #gaza #israel #genocide

   • Embed this notice
     Wilson (other_ghosts@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 00:11:05 JST Wilson

     in reply to

     • Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧
     • nicholas_saunders

     @nicholas_saunders
     Sorry, I'm having a hard time taking your argument seriously. Who would you put in charge of ensuring this aid gets into the hands of civilians? Even the biased article I shared goes to the trouble of clarifying that the officers in charge of protecting the convoy included "Hamas elements" as well as Palestinian Authority. Presumably this joint operation would have lent it some nonpartisan legitimacy. They tried to do the thing you are demanding and were killed by the IDF for it. Shall we put UNRWA in charge of it? Oh, but they've been defunded and bombed out of all functional capacity. If the Israeli government cares so deeply about distributing aid to only the appropriately helpless victims, they have more than enough capacity to send some of their own in there to do the job. It's not inconceivable, but they won't do it.

     There is certainly a moral and legal obligation to ensure aid reaches civilians. I would call that a general obligation, as in applying to all parties. The parties doing the most to prevent aid from reaching civilians inside Gaza are almost entirely outside Gaza, i.e. Israel and its sponsors. The best way to make black markets and "criminal elements" disappear is to alleviate scarcity. Israel is also in the best position to ensure enough aid gets into Gaza, but of course they won't do that, either.

     @f800gecko @palestine

   • Embed this notice
     Wilson (other_ghosts@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 00:11:06 JST Wilson

     in reply to

     • Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧
     • nicholas_saunders

     @nicholas_saunders
     It's an article about the IDF assassinating officers responsible for protecting the aid distribution. I won't pretend to know the secret motivation of the soldiers who committed that particular war crime, but the ICJ may be able to answer your question.

     @KeesD92@mastodon.social @f800gecko @palestine

   • Embed this notice
     nicholas_saunders (nicholas_saunders@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 00:11:06 JST nicholas_saunders

     in reply to

     • Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧

     @other_ghosts @f800gecko @palestine Certainly we all look forward to the ICJ investigation, although it sounds more like the ICC would have jurisdiction, but what's notable here is that you cannot conceive of the possibility that anyone was ensuring that humanitarian aid only reaches civilians. Much less the legal and moral obligations in regard to that concern, of which I certainly don't recall your acknowledgment.

     AnthonyJK-Admin repeated this.
   • Embed this notice
     David (keesd92@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 00:11:07 JST David

     in reply to

     • Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧

     @f800gecko @other_ghosts @palestine Just proof that Hamas is not involved! Easy?

   • Embed this notice
     nicholas_saunders (nicholas_saunders@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 00:11:07 JST nicholas_saunders

     in reply to

     • Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧
     • David

     @KeesD92 @f800gecko @other_ghosts @palestine so, your premise would seemingly be that Israel wants to hinder humanitarian aid, and you would also gloss over any moral or legal obligations to ensure that such aid only reaches civilians.