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   goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 01:48:33 JST goatsarah

   Thinking about UK Labour and the US Democrats, and their ideological clones across Europe.

   Progressive parties seem have decided they don’t need to provide HOPE any more.

   Literally the only people offering hope and the possibility for change for the better in the future are fascists.

   And they’re liars, but if the only other option on the menu is “we will keep things exactly the same and stuff will slowly get worse. Fuck you, and be grey”, then I can understand the temptation to vote for ANYONE offering something different.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 02:09:47 JST goatsarah

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     • BashStKid

     @BashStKid Exactly, but they seem to have a profound mental block about saying ANYTHING that offers ay chance of improvement in anything.

     What has made them like this? They didn't used to be this way.

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     BashStKid (bashstkid@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 02:09:48 JST BashStKid

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     @goatsarah
     It’s notable that none of the various articles on the far-right co-opting farmers seem to notice this - if the fascists are the only people offering hope to <any group>, while regular pols don’t give a toss, don’t be surprised at the outcome.

     Nothing stopping Rutte or VdL saying “farmers need to be paid to apply their skills as the spearhead of better environmental management, forestry, river and flood management, etc etc ”, for example.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 05:40:33 JST goatsarah

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     • ajlanes
     • BashStKid

     @ajlanes @BashStKid They literally had "things can only get better" as their campaign song.

     And now the attitude is like, "we must not make any improvements to anything ever. All the shit that the Tories did, that you're voting them out for? Not gonna change any of it. Tough titty."

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     ajlanes (ajlanes@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 05:40:34 JST ajlanes

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     • BashStKid
     @goatsarah @BashStKid I can remember the huge sense of hope and change and relief when Blair came in in 1997. Not really anything here since.
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     Kincaid (kincaid@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 06:45:03 JST Kincaid

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     @goatsarah it's just so *craven*

     Like the facist press will savage them no matter what so fuck them and be bold and honest

     Racist Uncle will vote Nazi^wReform no matter what so fuck him with a .303 and be bold and honest

     And I understand that putting hard numbers on things is daft but for the love of god you can sell net zero as "yes, it's a bit up front, but you get *free* 'leccy for 6 months of the year and it fucks the Saudis and Putin with a wirebrush dipped in battery acid"

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