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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 03:07:29 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • mk
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   • Erik Haugen
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   @ech

   > if they show he clearly knew and allowed the policy to continue (i.e. before the point where he "circled the wagons" that I mentioned in my other post) I'd love to see it.

   I have addressed this twice. It does not, but since this sceme was across multiple properties, at the highest level, and coordinated through every level of the company.

   It would be absolutely absurd to think everyone across multiple properties and every level knew about this but somehow it was managed to be kept from Trump.

   If that is the argument you are making then you need to prove that, not the other way around.

   @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

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     Erik Haugen (ech@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 03:08:43 JST Erik Haugen

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     • mk
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     • David H. McCoy

     @freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts Oh so that's it? ok, well, I addressed that already; I guess agree to disagree #rorschachtest

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 03:09:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Erik Haugen

     @ech Sure,

     You can disagree all you'd like. But to anyone who is being unbiased about this would not doubt for a second Trump is a racist from this evident alone, let alone the mountain of other examples we have.

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     Erik Haugen (ech@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 03:23:58 JST Erik Haugen

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     @freemo Having had experience in large organizations, it feels like you have a lot of confidence that certain things happen when they just don't. In engineering, we have tons of low-level company-wide procedures that I wouldn't imagine Sundar knows anything about, for example. You think someone like that reviews everything we do? I can tell you they do not.

     In this particular example, I can see some mid-managers moving around between his companies and copying processes. I can easily see this kind of low-level detail, especially one you wanted to keep quiet, from being discussed in meetings with more sr. management. Probably happens all the time.

     I do have a bias toward not assuming someone is racist without decent evidence, I guess; like I said #rorschachtest

     What's the other mountain? I just claimed it was a mountain of trash with some evidence, do you have any other exceptions in mind? (you said earlier to someone else you weren't interested in this argument, so understood if you'd rather not.)

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 03:41:32 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Erik Haugen

     @ech I mean i literally have run public companies, and been in charge at very large companies. Me being aware of how they are run clearly isnt in question.

     You seem to be the one who thinks people at every level can know about something but somehow the guy at the top is the only one who is oblivious.

     Yea your bias isnt against racism, sorry, but thats some pretty big bias clearly in favor of Trump here.

     I mean sure youc an say the high up wont know certain things at their company, for sure. But we are talking about something shown to be known at every level of the company, these arent the same thing.