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   smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 19:28:37 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

   Regarding #Bluesky opening signups, one person on HN comments:

   > The account portability is probably the biggest problem with the #fediverse right now.

   And while that may be true from an end-user perspective, imho it is not the biggest problem. The fact that for a new dev building an #ActivityPub app is like a Viking trying to discover America is problematic. While #ATProto has the Holland-America line where you can check in for the ride.

   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39274882

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     Mark Shane Hayden (msh@coales.co)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 19:28:26 JST Mark Shane Hayden

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     • bhaugen

     @smallcircles @bhaugen Client apps look simple enough to design, and PDSes look like they are easy enough to self host, but relays, as well as anything that has to process the firehose coming out of the relays like AppViews, Feeds and Labelers, look quite complex and computationally expensive to me.I don't see how AT can reliably federate without depending on organisations with significant computational and bandwidth resources. I also think this makes the AT architecture less private and potentially more vulnerable to a large scale DDoS than the fediverse.

     I'm sure that there will be some interesting AT apps that come out of this, but I don't think it is for everybody--it is too "big web" by design. I think"small web" is more fun.

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     smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 19:28:29 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

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     • bhaugen

     @bhaugen

     Yes, most likely it is easier, or it will be. There's complex bits in the architecture and I feel their strategy is to get an ecosystem going where libs, frameworks and tools are built by 3rd-parties. After which app development is more like solution design with very comprehensive docs that guide the way.

     AS/AP is like a picture of earth from the moon, while ATProto is more like a roadmap you can unfold. It is a different level of detail and holding hands.

     Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     bhaugen (bhaugen@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 19:28:33 JST bhaugen

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     @smallcircles did you mean building an app on #ARProto is much easier than #ActivityPub or that on ATProto you don't need an app?