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   PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:02:12 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer
   Page 1 of the bluesky paper is a riot already. Aside from mentioning the "instance question", the big goal with Bluesky is you guessed it, censorship. This is why it's on the first fucking page. This is what sets it apart from the fedi, your ability to say words and post art will be determined by that of a 400lb moderator who half the time doesn't do his job.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:14:33 JST iced depresso

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     @Pawlicker somewhat alarmist interpretation.
     you're supposed to be able to subscribe to moderators. there's some prior work on that
     
     https://reaction.la/security/social_networking.html
     https://getaether.net/
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:15:54 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Subscribes to their service to addresses of and interact with the blocked content.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:15:55 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     You can totally run a PDS on anything, but more importantly you don't need to worry about being a janny. Someone else will.
     
     You could say this takes control away, but this is intended for mastodongers not us. It's every single bad fedi moderation idea in a nutshell.
     
     This is confirmed with the page on algorithms, and how users of it so desperately want their algorithm and their posting career. They want Twitter but without Tesla man.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:15:56 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     As of today, atproto does not currently federate. It also lacks DMs, not even the fakeass idea of DMs known as "post scopes". But the funnier part is how the protocol is such a goddamn clusterfuck compared to activitypub.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:15:57 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     Two things that make BSky different from fedi are the idea of a "universal username" as opposed to username/domain, and more importantly they love the idea of an algorithm (but not the evil meanie one).
     
     Essentially bsky is for the NPC who cares about his posting career, but wants to be fed slop. He does not remember how pissed Twitter was when the regular timeline got replaced with the algorithmic timeline.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:15:58 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     Oh yes interaction gating, the thing that led exactly to quote tweet dunking on Twitter because some open sex pest/evil corporation would be saying something fucktarded only to get mocked in the replies.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:22:45 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @icedquinn >you're supposed to be able to subscribe to moderators
     
     Do you know how well that's worked in the fediverse? Actually I can tell you.
     https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:22:45 JST iced depresso

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     @Pawlicker the subscription is supposed to be personal, afaik.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:29:21 JST iced depresso

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     @sim @Pawlicker they don't *need* to. there is just a common theme with modeling moderation actions as its own action stream--and then allowing you to subscribe to that stream. so if somebody you follow tends to ban a lot of off topic posts or whatever, you can just inherit their deletes (well, masks, since the post is still there.)
     
     the idea is supposed to be that you can always see what a given person suppressed--if you want to--and impeach that person if they keep suppressing stuff that you think shouldn't be.
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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:29:22 JST sim

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     @icedquinn @Pawlicker Why do people need to subscribe to a moderator?
     
     I think we're all better off not being subjected to all my posts.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:37:40 JST iced depresso

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     @sim @Pawlicker it's not really that complicated. you basically choose to follow somebody and optionally choose to let them curate for you.
     
     in the case of aether, their equivalent of a subreddit has some 'default mods' based on the most popular subscriptions. but you can unsub those, and they can be fired if many people unsub them.
     
     aether is based around a reddit model--where you may have topical rooms, so topic enforcement is a thing. the other project tries to fit more in an open forum model where the OP has some limited say in admitting people to the thread (at least, by default.)
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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2024 14:37:41 JST sim

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     @icedquinn @Pawlicker This sounds overcomplicated.
     
     It's just easier to leave most of the moderating to users so they can curate the experience that they want to have and mute what they want to. Then all I have to worry about is the legal shit.