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   clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:44 JST clacke
   Taylor Swift's music is not "omg yes" to me, but it is good stuff, clearly it is "omg yes" to many people, and I like hearing her music when it pops up in places. She is a hyper-competent writer, composer, singer, producer and business genius and has *taken* space in the man's world of music publishing, while at the same time lifting up women and men around her.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:49 JST clacke

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     As a role model for women and men, and a threat to entrenched self-aggrandizing men, she is way up there with Dolly Parton, Madonna, Cher, Beyonce and Lady Gaga and I love her for it. She had a good start in life with a supportive family, but she built her way from there to here with talent, smarts, integrity, good choices, hard work and kindness. Conservatives should love her if they believed in their own ideals.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:50 JST clacke

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     I really like what she did in "You Need To Calm Down", the song and the video, giving an extended middle finger to bigots everywhere while also settling the beef between her and Katy Perry in the best way, dancing together and hugging in silly costumes.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:50 JST clacke

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     She is a billionaire and she does fly her jet too much, but she's not the first person I'd criticize for it when there's a thousand people who do it worse and don't contribute anything to humanity, culture and individual humans the way she does.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:52 JST clacke

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     Taylor Swift: "You Need To Calm Down"

     farside.link/invidious/watch?v…

     youtube.com/watch?v=Dkk9gvTmCX…

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:55 JST clacke

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     I think the analysis of my music diet is "clearly an old man living in the past, but not entirely isolated from what played this side of the millennium". 😅
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:14:56 JST clacke

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     What is "omg yes" music to me? Queen, Mike Oldfield, Daft Punk, Madonna, The Shamen, Lady Gaga, ABBA, in roughly that order.

     Except for Lady Gaga, I've put my money where my mouth is and bought albums from these artists.

     In my playlists I also have Ava Max, Alan Walker, 2 Unlimited, The KLF, Doktor Kosmos, Massive Attack, Enigma, Beastie Boys, The Offspring, Sash!, Vengaboys, Pandora and Die Ärtzte. That's all feel-good or feel-moved music to me.

     EDIT: And Rage Against the Machine. Obviously.

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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:15:19 JST sim

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     @clacke Why should conservatives love her if they believe in conservative values? Does she sing about conservative values? I don't think anyone should have to love an artist even if they shared the same values though. Music is also a huge preference thing and it is okay to not prefer a music style or artist or even a particular song. I do like a few of her songs but I don't buy the idea that anyone has to love her or be a fan of her. Or even see her as a good role model. Fandom can also be quite divisive.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:15:19 JST clacke

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     @sim Because she is a successful business person and embodies the American Dream.

     She doesn't even cause much of a stir apart from being a successful woman with mainstream American values rather than minority frumpy puritan values.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:16:03 JST clacke

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     In particular, she is the kind of capitalist that W-era "compassionate" neocons wanted to idolize, the "look, we don't need unions or the state to step in, because people with money are generous" philanthropy type of conservatism.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:16:32 JST clacke

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     @sim I'm speaking from a US perspective, as she is from there and that's where the discourse is.

     She is rooted in country music, but is mixing it up with a different modern genre on each album.

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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:16:33 JST sim

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     @clacke That sounds more like something that liberals or libertarians would appreciate. Also, not all conservatives seek the American dream or root their conservatism in it. That sounds very American-centric to me.
     
     I prefer listening to artists that sing traditional and older music. I guess that would be country for the US. Classic as a genre is great for conservatives too. But even here, I don't expect conservatives to appreciate it all.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:16:39 JST clacke

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     Katy Perry: drop beef, become burger
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:17:51 JST clacke

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     @sim In US discourse you have conservative, Conservative and Republican which would usually coincide as far as voting goes, but the Republican party is now so out of whack that centrist conservatives should be voting Democrat.
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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:17:53 JST sim

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     @clacke Wouldn't that be more Republican? Conservatism is more broad so what you said seemed off to me and I hope you can see why I took issue with it... and I'm not too familiar with the discourse happening here. Even then, a lot of what you mention here is rooted in economic arguments which is not very convincing to me.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:19:31 JST clacke

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     @sim Yes. The US has one center-right party with a left flank and one party in death rattles, divorced from reality and engaged in holy wars against imagined threats. There is no left.

     But it looks like increasingly, center-right people might be voting for the former rather than the latter, and center-left people might be voting for the former rather than abstaining. The US may not be done for as a nation just yet.

     I think the world and the people of the US might both be better off without the US as a consolidated nation-state. But I don't currently see a peaceful transition from here to there. I do see several disastrous ones.

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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:19:33 JST sim

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     @clacke I think we've reached a point where all the main parties are out of whack all over the western world, they do not support the average working citizen. Instead they seem to be doing everything they can to make life harder for them.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:21:37 JST clacke

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     @sim What the US supposedly have for a "left" they call "liberal". Enough said. But I will continue anyway just to be clear. 😅

     They do not have a proper social democratic party because their population is trained to be afraid of collective solutions even where they make sense.

     Europe is suffering from neoliberalism since the 90s, but the US is where it came from. They've had Reaganomics, deregulation and trickle-down economy since the 80s, and they have an ongoing red scare since the 50s, which only softened a bit in the 60s, and which is preventing them from implementing a regulated mixed market.

     I read Obama's book when he became President, and I was shocked by how right-wing it was compared to European politics.

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     sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:21:38 JST sim

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     @clacke I do find it interesting that you don't think they have a left party here. How would you define the left?
     
     It doesn't help that the people behind the parties insist on voting particular families and old people to become the president. They have a laughing stock of a president that can't seem to string coherent sentences together to make speeches and make decisions with a clear mind. This is bad news for every nation that the US holds influence over. I don't know where we go from there. But I think you might be right, it may be better to split the US up. At least let the Native Americans have their own country on their land, a place where their laws are upheld and they can practice their culture and remember their forebears. We forget so much of history and who we are at our peril.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 15:21:40 JST clacke

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     Haha, when I wrote all this I had no idea that we had just had the Grammys, that she obviously won again, two of them even, and set a new record for most Best Album wins. And she showed again her business and promotion chops.

     When she won the VMAs two years ago she announced "Midnights", and now when that album won Best Album she used the opportunity and stole the show to announce yet another album two months from now, a complete surprise, as the fans had assumed she had been working on re-recording one of her previous albums for her own catalog.

     #TaylorSwift

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     Thomas (tfb@functional.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 22:44:57 JST Thomas

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     @clacke ooh, that's a very relatable description

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