C. Lambeth
@Radical_EgoCom Agnosticism is the only authentic choice if a person wants to avoid belief. Otherwise they're committed to a belief of some sort about a deity's existence or non-existence.
Claiming "disbelief" & nothing more is merely a semantics game. It is trying to evade saying that they *believe* gods are not real, usually because they've been indoctrinated to *believe* that *belief* is weak. But belief is unavoidable here. If they're uncomfortable owning it, they should be agnostic.
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@corbin_lambeth
Atheism is a lack of belief in a God. Unless an atheist says otherwise, they aren't claiming that God doesn't exist by being an atheist, they're just saying that they don't believe the claims that religious people make about God existing. There are obviously gnostic atheist who claim to be absolutely sure that God doesn't exist, but there are also agnostic atheist who admit to not being sure of the existence of God but don't believe due to a lack of evidence.
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@corbin_lambeth
God does NOT exist.
Humans created RELIGION.
If GOD existed then GOD would have been here and available BEFORE HUMANS.
Humans INVENTED religion which is how the whole - there is someone more powerful than you that will keep you in line- strategy to CONTROL PEOPLE.
RELIGION and the INVENTION OF GOD is a METHOD OF CONTROL
And not one thing more.
Its an invisible sky daddy that will spank you if you are bad in your society.
The ONLY reason there is a GOD is because HUMANNS realized rubes like you could be controlled if you THOUGHT someone was out there watching you
ITS A MASS MANIPULATION OF YOUR FREEDOM
More DEATH and DESTRUCTION has been caused by this fake sky daddy than ANY OTHER REASON ever, all time
I dont believe there is a god because humans are fucking evil and if there was actually a god, that god would have wiped humans off this wonderful planet EONS ago for being SO STUPID
Religion emerged among anatomically modern humans in Africa. THEY MADE IT UP
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@Radical_EgoCom @corbin_lambeth
If neither is a claim that God does not exist, how about this claim..
God does not exist. So which am I?
C. Lambeth
@LaNaehForaday @Radical_EgoCom If you want a label that describes that belief, it would be "strong" atheism. And there is absolutely nothing irrational about it.
C. Lambeth
@Radical_EgoCom For example, it's insufficient to say that I don't believe in Zeus. While that is true (I don't), the obvious corollary is to say that I *believe* support for Zeus's reality is sorely lacking. I can't prove he doesn't exist and I don't need to. It's a perfectly reasonable and defensible belief that I have about him. Different sides. Same coin.
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@corbin_lambeth
Someone saying they don't believe in something isn't the same as them claiming that the thing doesn't exist. For example, I don't know if God exist or not (which is an agnostic position), but I don't believe in God due to lack of evidence (which is an atheistic position). Neither is a claim that God doesn't exist.
C. Lambeth
@Radical_EgoCom I think that's pretty much what I said: Not believing claims about gods makes one an agnostic. 🤷🏼♂️ It's the standard definition as far as I know.
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@corbin_lambeth
What exactly is your definition of "Atheism" then?
C. Lambeth
@Radical_EgoCom So-called "strong" atheism is the bold claim that there are no gods or is no God. This is not due to evidence or proof, but belief.
So-called "weak" atheism is the disingenuous claim to merely disbelieve such and such about deities. And I say disingenuous because it's a semantics game. It is simply *not* the absence of belief, but the *presence* of belief(s) about the claims being made *for* god(s), namely, that they are all wrong on some level.
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