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   Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:20:04 JST Adam Greenfield

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   • Arcanya :arcanya:

   @lanodan @Arcana My considered belief is that it is exceedingly unlikely for a user of a mediation device like this to be respectful or considerate of other users of a shared space.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:20:02 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Arcanya :arcanya:
     @adamgreenfield @Arcana That's for a case by case basis and they still deserve consideration.
     Or do you think "eye for an eye" is a good philosophy?
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:24:30 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Arcanya :arcanya:
     @adamgreenfield @Arcana Which is also true for headphones and smartphones, specially when combined.
     And it can end up being seriously dangerous in some situations (like I frequently see what I dub "smartphone zombie" on the street), but that's not the one pictured. And even in dangerous cases it should be proportional.
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     Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:24:31 JST Adam Greenfield

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Arcanya :arcanya:

     @Arcana @lanodan I am (all too) happy to go into the reasons why, in literally pages of detail, but for the purposes of this conversation I think it’s sufficient to say that a mediating visor is not in any way a neutral artifact, and conveys a strong implicit statement that both the space itself and other human and nonhuman occupants of that space are less important and less worthwhile than whatever occupies the UI.

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     Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:26:08 JST Adam Greenfield

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Arcanya :arcanya:

     @Arcana @lanodan (I see you’re a native French speaker – my “Radical Technologies,” in which I consider many of these questions in depth, ought to be out in French translation literally any day now, courtesy of the good folks at Présence(s) editions.)

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     Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:26:09 JST Adam Greenfield

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Arcanya :arcanya:

     @Arcana @lanodan For many purposes, it is a class of interactions with sufficiently common characteristics that not every instance of that class needs to be investigated on its own merits. And indeed I have been giving this matter *sustained* consideration – in four books and a quarter-century of thought.

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     Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:35:15 JST Adam Greenfield

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Arcanya :arcanya:

     @lanodan @Arcana Looks like they could use some help, too. : . ( https://presences-editions.me/

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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 02:45:39 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Arcanya :arcanya:
     > other human and nonhuman occupants of that space are less important and less worthwhile than whatever occupies the UI.
     
     this could very well be the case, one doesn't need a visor thingy or headphones to think or feel this way.
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