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   :mima_rule: Mima-sama (mima@makai.chaotic.ninja)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 18:50:11 JST :mima_rule: Mima-sama

   At least those #European #farmers now know what it feels like to be 1% of a Filipino #peasant here in the Philippines :suwako_evil:
   
   RE: https://minidisc.tokyo/notes/9p806tdga1

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 18:50:08 JST SuperDicq

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     @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja What do you mean by that?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:01:11 JST SuperDicq

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     @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja In western Europe we heavily overproduce food. Food production is already subsidized to shit and these farmers still can't turn a profit they say while living in giant houses and driving expensive cars. On top that our farmers refuse to farm in more eco friendly ways.
     
     So in my opinion our farmers refuse to look at the reality of the situation, don't understand how markets are supposed to work and are just begging for more government handouts. I have zero sympathy.

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     :mima_rule: Mima-sama (mima@makai.chaotic.ninja)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:01:13 JST :mima_rule: Mima-sama

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     @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo Not sure about regulation, but our peasants here do also face falling sale prices (especially in rice!!), rising costs, powerful and domineering retailers (especially in rice!!), debt, climate change and cheap foreign imports (especially in rice!!). Multiply by 100 and you get the Philippines. :koakuma_giggle:

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:06:36 JST SuperDicq

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     @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja The Netherlands alone exports almost as much agricultural products as the entire country of Brazil.
     
     This is not sustainable and never will be. We just simply need to farm less.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:22:53 JST SuperDicq

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     @roboneko@bae.st @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja The Netherlands produces five times more meat than we actually consume. We will not starve with a little bit less farming.

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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:22:54 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     @SuperDicq @mima
     
     > farmers
     
     > I have zero sympathy.
     
     good way to starve tbh
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     @roboneko@bae.st @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Oh yeah it's definitely mostly meat producers and dairy farmers who are protesting like this.
     
     These aren't farmers that just grow crops.

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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:39:41 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     @SuperDicq @mima is it only meat that's impacted? I haven't followed along in any great detail since it doesn't directly affect me
     
     > We will not starve with a little bit less farming.
     
     I dunno, personally I take food security quite seriously. if it's really just a shift away from meat production and nothing more then that's not so bad although I can't say I agree with those sorts of measures either
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:44:02 JST SuperDicq

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     @roboneko@bae.st @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja The EU will not make our citizens go hungry, they are very aware of this concern obviously. But the EU wants to incentivize sustainable farming instead obviously, which conservative farmers don't really like.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:44:23 JST iced depresso

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     @roboneko @mima @SuperDicq i eat meat and will not stop just because people who fly private jets to meetings about how plebs need to starve and live in shacks so they can have more carbon to fly private jets can fly more jets.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 19:57:26 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @icedquinn @roboneko @mima @SuperDicq more like you'll stop eating meat when you're unable to afford it
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:19:25 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @roboneko @icedquinn @mima @SuperDicq I wonder if someone's asking those tough questions about homeownership as well
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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:19:26 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     @romin @icedquinn @mima @SuperDicq if I can no longer afford meat I think there are some tough questions that need to be asked regarding why the standard of living should be slipping so badly
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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:29:32 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     @romin @icedquinn @mima @SuperDicq people around me don't seem at all happy about the current situation so yeah, I'd say so. unfortunately at least where I am the policies are slow to change and the changes often seem to be suboptimal
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:43:34 JST SuperDicq

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     @roboneko@bae.st @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Yeah I don't think US farming is comparable to EU farming at all.

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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:43:35 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     @SuperDicq @mima
     
     > the EU wants to incentivize sustainable farming
     
     I suspect many of the farmers might dispute either the semantics of the stated goal or the effectiveness of the measures in achieving them. at least in the US a lot of the rhetoric around "sustainable" doesn't make much sense to me
     
     I'm fairly biased though because farming regulations in the US already make nearly zero sense in many ways
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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @roboneko@bae.st @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Oh here it doesn't matter. In the Netherlands our meat consumption lowers every year while our meat production increases each year. All the meat you don't eat gets exported anyway so you better eat the meat.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 20:51:59 JST SuperDicq

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     @romin@shitposter.club @roboneko@bae.st @icedquinn@blob.cat @mima@makai.chaotic.ninja The farmers definitely don't care about homeownership for the general population. The farmers are actually standing in the way of affordable housing.
     
     The Netherlands isn't a very big country so a lot of land used by farmers could be used to build new housing instead.
     
     Also pollution is another reson. Currently we can not build as much housing as we want to build because we have too much pollution. If there's less farming we have more "pollution budget" left over to spend on construction instead, if that makes any sense.

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     Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 21:08:36 JST Neko McCatface v2023 :verified::makemeneko:

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     > The farmers are actually standing in the way of affordable housing.
     
     :top_kek: trying to blame government mismanagement on the farmers now? you don't need to turn farmland into housing you need to build up. if you're going to turn farmland into anything then returning it to wilderness would generally be a much better plan
     
     > If there's less farming we have more "pollution budget"
     
     in what specific ways is farming polluting which happen to be interchangeable with construction of all things?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 02:46:03 JST iced depresso

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     @roboneko @mima @SuperDicq @romin these are some weird takes.
     
     not sure why you need to send soldiers after farmers to do land seizures instead of, y'know, slowly roll off subsidies of goods that are already well above consumption.
     
     there are a lot of weird policies like that in the states too. people being paid not to grow certain crops--even though that land is now a condo and hasn't been farmed for a decade.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 02:47:22 JST iced depresso

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     @roboneko @SuperDicq @mima @romin i think some of the issue is davos types are literally out giving speeches about how they want to take away your cofe to save the world, and are actively taking measures to do those things, which people do not want to happen, and like always the actual underlying issues are completely ignored :comfywoozy: