I guess this is a thing a lot of people think nowadays. I'm conflicted, because on the one hand culture is much bigger than me and I don't wish to simply condemn the growing number of friends, acquaintances, and creatives who promulgate this because we still live in the same world; and on the other, I'm Jewish (although neither zionist nor antizionist) and my terror at witnessing the resurgence of antisemitism is profound. I just....I'm really flummoxed. Maybe I'm actually terrified but the shock phase feels more like confusion. @alex
@ninapaley@Nudhul It's a form of cope and retardation. You know what I've realized? If you give these people Seinfeld they will laugh. They love George Costanza. They are fully capable of seeing people as individuals. It's just a big meme. And some of them are really serious. But ultimately they're not going to do anything about it except be retarded on the internet. If you told these people Hitler was a Jew they'd start wearing Star of David jumpsuits.
@ninapaley@Nudhul You could probably use your Jewish powers to harness these retards by being a Based Jew. It's like being an incel, where they are so deprived of the love of another they lash out. They just need a little Jewish love.
@Lavaearth@ninapaley@Nudhul It's like saying "men started wars, therefore all men are bad." In fact this is exactly what feminists say, and you argue against it.
@ninapaley@alex@softwarepagan@Nudhul Slavs are European. They're tough and stubborn and wonderful people and quite a lot of reluctant geniuses among them IMO.
@alex@Nudhul@ninapaley There should be a part where the nazis realize Yiddish is mostly just medieval German and that genetically they're mostly Europeans anyway at this point.
@snugglefist@Nudhul@ninapaley Yes of course, but because they're bourgeoisie scum, not because they're Jewish. Question for you: is Seinfeld part of your extermination plan?
Do you think there might be a reason that people aren't pissed about Jerry Seinfeld but are actually and truly pissed off about people like:
Alejandro Mayorkas Merrick Garland Antony Blinken Victoria Nuland Janet Yellen Jonathan Greenblatt George Soros Reed Hoffman James "Jennifer" Pritzker Mark Zuckerberg Sam Bankman-Fried Nearly 100% of second-wave feminists Nearly 100% of the Frankfurt School
etc etc etc just to name a few? Also, many people have alleged Hitler to be of jewish descent, typically on the basis of his father's given surname. But that doesn't really matter much because Hitler's animosity toward jews didn't come about because of Seder dinner. It came about because he grew to see them as primarily responsible for fomenting violent socialist revolutions in Europe.
Allow one of the few rabbis who has ever had the sense and courage to read Mein Kampf and speak about it honestly in public explain this important point:
Dude that's just late-stage everything. Native Americans yada-yada. You could say the same thing about the Fediverse or literally anything that becomes popular.
My solution is to speak the truth and let the chips fall where they may. But there are people you might know of - like Greenblatt or Yoel Roth, formerly of Twitter "trust and safety" - that go out of their way to characterize any and all honest criticism, even when it is directed specifically at individuals, as verboten speech. What happens when difficult but necessary conversations are suppressed? Surely you of all people must have some understanding of how large organizations like the ADL loom when it comes to direct assault on the First Amendment.
There is a bubble that hasn't yet burst, but is growing precariously thin. That is when culture war conservatives realize that America did not wake up one day and go to war with itself culturally in some schizophrenic fit, but rather that a disparate culture was imported over the last century. The gatekeepers of this project are failing by the day, in part because the masks are slipping.
@alex@snugglefist@Nudhul@ninapaley Have you considered, what if "bourgeoisie" and "the jews" is the name of the same mafia group, that is characterized in both their wealth and their strong in group identification to their religion?
@alex@snugglefist@Nudhul@ninapaley I mean, we literally have a russian mafia in a lot of places in here. Yet, I haven't seen anyone offended yet, when someone says "the russians" when talking about them. Not even russians. Because the context about the name is clear.
"Late-stage everything" and "yada-yada" are pretty meaningless deflections to me in this context. You aren't really engaging with the things I've said. America is not analogous to the Fediverse or "anything that becomes popular."
I'm going to make one more attempt here to engage substantively. For full context, the link is here:
I want to zero in specifically on that final statement in the screencap because what has become painfully plain for many people to see, especially since Oct 7th of last year, is that jews - as a group - are engaged in both of these projects. In America, in Europe - even in countries like Ireland that were on the receiving end of English colonization - they practice open borders and "multi-culturalism." Alejandro Mayorkas currently holds our southern border open like the Gates of Toledo. This has very real consequences for Americans.
However, in Israel the project is vicious ethno-nationalism and ethnic cleansing. Americans are also apparently not free to oppose this. Anti-BDS laws, for example, abound. Even right-wing governors like Ron DeSantis fly to Israel to sign anti-1A legislation.
See the recent debacle at Harvard for an example of how these contradictions are coming to a head.
Terminally online antisemites did not make this bed. They actually didn't have to say anything at all in order for these circumstances to occur. And none of this has anything to do with the guy who runs the deli or even Jerry Seinfeld.
@snugglefist@alex@Nudhul@ninapaley Yes, but it's worse... much worse. Because, It's really easy to finding for example a gay men saying "I do not agree with the LGBT agenda. It's disgusting, all I want is right to live a happy life, marry and adopt a kid" for example.
Yet, any time this mafia is mentioned, thanks to their control of media, all you hear is constant screening of antisemitism. And that DOES in fact lead some people believe, that it's all of them.
Yes, jews will regularly express frustration or confusion at being grouped together, but this is inevitable because of how they will defend individuals of their group as a group. The ADL is a perfect example of this. It's been 110 years and they still act like Leo Frank dindu nuffin.
Tucker Carlson is an example of someone who somehow ran afoul of this just by talking about mass migration and the involvement of people like Soros. To the best of my knowledge, he never once mentioned on Fox that Soros is a jew, but being willing to talk about this in terms of "replacement" ultimately cost him his job.
If you generalize about jews and their cultural norms and values as a group, you are labeled an antisemite. But if you speak calmly, rationally and factually about specific individuals and things they have objectively done and said without making mention of their jewish identity at all, some jews will still pop their heads up and accuse you of antisemitism regardless.
Pointing out that not all jews engage in that equally in every circumstance does not obviate this at all. It still happens like clockwork and the examples of this pile up by the day now.
The term "antisemitism" is a canard on its face if for no other reason than the simple fact that the majority of Semites aren't jews at all. Ironically, Palestinians are Semites. And hilariously, the Wikipedia article on this topic describes "Semite" as an "obsolete term" in the first sentence.
It certainly isn't obsolete as a means of obfuscating and suppressing free discourse.
@LukeAlmighty@snugglefist@alex@ninapaley western jews aren't even semitic. conflating jews with semites is no different than saying all white people are caucasian.
@alex@Nudhul@ninapaley there's a lot of legitimate anger from the trump bloc generally towards the western liberal ruling class. And jews don't help that by telling people to fuck off and that they're white trash whenever the public tries to get their problems fixed
@snugglefist@alex@ninapaley "late-stage" descriptors are a buzzword used by socialist to refer to the state of affairs their own ideology has brought about. as usual, accountability is an alien concept to them.
@snugglefist@alex@ninapaley for instance, they will complain about "late-stage capitalism" being the reason for whatever their gripe happens to be. yet every single fortune 500 company recieves subsidies/contracts/investments from the government. major banks aren't allowed to fail despite the bafflingly irrisponsible behavior from their executives. regulations make it impossible for small businesses to compete with larger ones. individuals need the state's approval when making "private" transactions
you are taxed on everything you earn, then you're taxed again when you spend those earnings. some things you purchased will then be taxed annually. if you die, your wealth and property will then be taxed for a fourth time before making it to whomever you've left it to. on top of this, the state has mandated that you must be insured if you own a vehicle, which is a practical necessity thanks to how infrastructure is designed.
this isn't even touching DIE initiatives or minority-only scholarships. does all of this sound like the free exchange of goods and services, or is it more akin to a socialist nanny state that absorbs wealth from its productive demographics and doles it out to everyone else?
Yes, there are countless examples of this. Mark Cuban is a recent and prominent example who has been getting called out for this two-faced behavior because he waded into a debate with Elon Musk about the BLS data showing that only 6% of the jobs recovered since the coof went to white men.
Ask American jews whether or not they're white and you'll get situational answers even though most Ashkenazim are predominantly European genetically, having lived and intermarried in Europe for a millennium or so.
Now I find myself wanting to get into how you can draw a direct line from the NYT 1619 project, the entire purpose of which was to put all the blame for slavery on the heads of white Americans in the 21st century while remaining utterly silent on jewish involvement, right to the recent events at Harvard, but I feel like I've written enough about all of this for the moment.
@alex@ninapaley Btw, thank you both for taking this debate seriously. I wouldn't be surprised, if 4/5s of the resentment build up was purely caused by the lack of communication at this point :D.
The existence of laws, that make it illegal to question this singular topic is exactly the thing, that told me, that a line was crossed. And your willingness to talk about it, even if on an anonymous social network goes a huge way to get rid of these ridiculous laws.