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   Blamellors ✔️✔️💙 (blamellors@mstdn.party)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:59:16 JST Blamellors ✔️✔️💙

   Swifties.
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   #Swift #NFL #football #Kelce #taylor

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     @amerika @wjmaggos @blamellors @Bunnyslope @nam it's just a file comtaining a list of names to filter from the feed.
     
     we used to call it plonking or a plonkfile. When you were done talking to an idiot you'd just reply
     
     plonk!
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     You use a killfile or killfilter to mute individual users.
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     @wjmaggos @amerika @blamellors @nam Nope and nope.
     No admins. Wild West. Completely unregulated. Individual newsgroups can be as general or granular as chosen by the posters. A number of them don’t have any relation to their title. alt.barney.die.die.die has nothing to do with Barney the Dinosaur or the TV show. Usenet and newsgroups are what you do or don’t make of them. Mainly communities of people who have an interest in the same topic(s). Me, I monitor probably 50 or so newsgroups.

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     william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:58:52 JST william.maggos

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     @Bunnyslope @amerika @blamellors @nam

     so could an individual mute other users? did people get tired of people on a server and start another one?

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     @wjmaggos Incorrect. Sure BBS’ have pretty much disappeared, but Usenet is very much a thing. Is it as popular as it was 25 years ago? No. However the days of flamewars ended long ago as well. Why? Because people matured and saw that their actions had consequences. People found ways to deal with people without screaming back into the void.
     If you want a world where everyone feels welcome because they won’t be offended, then you want a world without opinions.

     @amerika @blamellors @nam

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     @Bunnyslope @amerika @blamellors @nam

     doesn't USENET have admins and don't they moderate? or is it all up to individual? don't people decide where to go partially based on how annoying the people there are?

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     the world doesn't use BBSes/USENET. afaik those are closed communities that attract certain audiences. FSE can defederate if it wants. I want a world where everybody feels welcome on fedi. like someone feels welcome discussing issues in public places. we compromise to do that, especially if we want people who disagree with us to feel welcome. we try to find ways to say things people might not want to hear in ways they might tolerate. that's the full ask.

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     ≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:58:59 JST ≠ Brett Stevens ≠

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     I disagree. I think over time, people would calm down, stop being offended, and start simply muting those who are irrelevant to them for whatever reason.
     
     Proof: this is what happened on BBSes and USENET.
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     Part of #darkpluralism is that you expect to encounter the horrifying and upsetting.
     
     After all, it is part of life; we cannot separate the two. This is the root of "maturation."
     
     I paraphrase the summary:
     
     "Dark Pluralism asserts a negation of universal truths, values, and communications; the best we can do instead is not to tolerate but to accept each other."
     
     https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php/topic,14.0.html
     
     I want rabbis and nazis walking the same streets and having civil conversations. Until then, humanity is just monkeying around.
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     part of #darkpluralism would also be a strong bias towards anonymity and assholes. IRL when people discuss things, we don't call each other slurs and tell them to die. we don't do hell threads. we developed IRL ways of interacting over time cause they work best. maybe something else would work better online. but your current proposal would just mean fewer people participate and they tend to think more like you than the average person. unintentional? IDK

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     Bunnyslope (bunnyslope@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:59:04 JST Bunnyslope

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     @wjmaggos Well, I’d get angry. However, I’d also realize that I hadn’t done enough to protect her and my family, as well as realizing that there was literally zero that I could do about it. Streisand effect.

     @amerika @blamellors @nam

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     Feels are not reals. His statements caused no actual damage.
     
     That being said, although I was not an AJ watcher before, I would not be after.
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     bad feels can hurt. imagine some guy making the Taylor joke about your daughter. or posting the AI porn. you'd punch the fucker. instead people like Trump get looked up to. it's so weird.

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     william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:59:09 JST william.maggos

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     cause he continues to push the Sandy Hook conspiracy and apparently has no idea how fucked up that is to those families. so I made a joke and maybe he felt some tiny percentage of what those families feel. when people are unrepentant bullies, you don't just let them keep doing that shit. he thinks AJ shouldn't have had to pay anything. you guys think the left should take the abuse. the only reason this shocks you is cause most lefties just run away by blocking the servers.

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     nam | dan | mmo podcast (nam@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:59:12 JST nam | dan | mmo podcast

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     nam | dan | mmo podcast (nam@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 03:59:15 JST nam | dan | mmo podcast

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     @blamellors I’ve seen some photos that suggest she’s making a lot of men very happy at football games.

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     this is why NAS gets blocked, not genius comments that lefties don't want to see cause they prove their ideology silly. but saying it's the latter makes for a much better complaint re free speech etc.

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     @wjmaggos @Bunnyslope @blamellors @nam
     
     USENET servers blocked each other if there was a flood of bad traffic, usually for technical reasons.
     
     IMHO those who want zero rules on the fediverse want it to succeed by not repeating the mistakes of social media.
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     I get how NAS might be like usenet, but I am talking about the fedi generally. that's the biggest part of where his comparison doesn't make sense imo. unless there is fediblocking, what one server does can affect others. that's not true on a bbs afaik. even NAS instituted a check process to try to make sure new accounts were listeners. imo people who want almost zero rules on harassment on the fedi (and no server blocks) just want it to stay small or fail.

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     @wjmaggos @amerika @blamellors @nam Kinda, sorta, not really.
     Usenet and newsgroups are like NAS, only much larger, so the comparison is apt.

     You can find people and interact with them, it’s just…different.
     So far as creating a new account, it was much easier to filter the douches out, so there wasn’t a point in creating a new account just to be a troll.
     Because everyone had to be somewhat computer literate to be on Usenet (or a BBS), users were competent in dealing with others.

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     so what I'm hearing is that it was/is a very different system that would not allow a worldwide network of anonymous people to easily search out others to tag with die slur in such a way that their only recourse was to individually block/mute them, only for them to use another account and do it again. correct?

     cause that's what I have a problem with and think the "no policing" people here want. and it seems comparing the two doesn't shed light on anything.

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     I recall the ability to mention people by username and have it show up in their notifications, but it varied with the software.
     
     BBS software was easily user-modified, and has a lot of variation itself anyway.
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     @amerika @blamellors @Bunnyslope @nam

     could you tag people?

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     Depends on who the sysadmin is. If the school controlled the BBS, there might be penalties in the disciplinary system as well.
     
     Then again, we are talking about children, am I correct?
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     if somebody on a school bbs or usenet posted slurs, what would happen?

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     I know it was before your time, but who do you think used BBSes?
     
     It was a wide range of people. The Houston Museum of Natural Science got astronomy students calling. The Medugorje people convinced thousands of Catholics from all walks of life to call. Schools used them. Some were for horrorscopes, some were chats, some were porn, and so on.
     
     In short, ordinary people used BBSes. USENET was standard for people on the internet back in the day, mostly college, telecom corp, and military. But these were normal people too.
     
     There is no reason to differentiate the audience here.
     
     A world where everybody feels welcome on the fediverse is one that excludes anything but happy opinions welcoming everyone.
     
     That is both itself a type of lie, in that it is not representative of reality, and discriminatory.
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     @amerika @wjmaggos @blamellors @Bunnyslope @nam It is easy though.
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     In the same way, the Fediverse requires more effort that just signing up for a Twitter, Reddit, Hackernews, or Facebook account.
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     @amerika @wjmaggos @blamellors @nam And not as easily as Fedi, X, Facebook. It took effort.