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Penguinflight (penguinflight@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:52 JST Penguinflight

#Mastodon #Fifedoms #Feudalism #Instance #Server
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1. A two-post thread from Penguinflight. 1/2 Something to remember about #Mastodon is that the servers we are hosted on - each " #Instance " - is owned by someone or group. This is particularly noticeable with the smaller instances, where it is an individual - often as, or more, anonymous than the members. The bottom line with these single-ownership instances is that the rules of conduct are ENTIRELY at the whim of the owner. That means open to their interpretation and theirs alone. 2/2 This can lead to some "interesting" decisions by an owner. Ones that may not seem entirely logical; rational. That's the price of admission. If one is on someone else's turf, at their cost, then one lives with it or looks elsewhere. However flawed moderation under a single owner may be, their word is law. Even if they are a complete Muppet. So essentially, whilst Mastodon as a whole is vaguely democratic, these instances are, in no uncertain terms, kingdoms. Worth remembering.
  https://media.mastodon.scot/mastodon-scot-public/media_attachments/files/111/788/677/206/926/543/original/faafd9aa7aee843e.jpeg
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:42 JST silverpill
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  @Hyolobrika @randrews @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight
  >$25
  By the way my instance costs me ~$5 per month, and the server is barely utilized. The competition between fedi software will eventually drive the price down to almost zero.
  By 2030, you will run your own site, and it will be a part of social web.
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:43 JST Hyolobrika
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  Sure. Having a choice is better than nothing. But not having to make a choice (Nostr, Polycentric, fedi if @silverpill ever succeeds in making fedi like Nostr) is better than both.
  
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  Ross Andrews (randrews@somewhy.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:45 JST Ross Andrews
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  @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight @Hyolobrika Then don't host one. /shrug The thing about Mastodon is that it gives you the choice, "do I value $25 more than I value not putting up with a psychotic admin." Other platforms don't give you that choice.
  My point is that the original post makes it seem inevitable that you're going to be on someone else's instance, when that's not at all true. More people could host their own than are probably aware they could host their own, even if that's not everyone.
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  number #1 kokonoe rin fan (sun_eat3r@goreslut.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:46 JST number #1 kokonoe rin fan
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  @Hyolobrika @Penguinflight @randrews or if you are not american too
  25 is quite a lot here
  
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:47 JST Hyolobrika
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  And I bet $25/month is still too much if you're *really* poor
  
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:48 JST Hyolobrika
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  If it was that easy, there would be far fewer non-admins
  
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  Ross Andrews (randrews@somewhy.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:49 JST Ross Andrews
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  @Hyolobrika @Penguinflight It takes far less of both than you probably imagine. I'm paying about $25/mo for somewhy, setting it up was a couple clicks, and I've only had to mess with it after that a couple times (version upgrades).
  
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:50 JST Hyolobrika
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  Not a solution for everyone. Only those with technical ability and money.
  
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  Ross Andrews (randrews@somewhy.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 02:54:52 JST Ross Andrews
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  @Penguinflight @Hyolobrika Who reads that and their first response isn't "well I'll just run one then?" It's really not that hard! The fediverse is great because you have the option not to deal with petty tyrants if you don't want to.
  
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:07:08 JST silverpill
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  @pernia @Hyolobrika @randrews @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight It should work on bsd, but as far as I know nobody tried that.
  You'll need rust compiler, openssl, postgresql and some kind of web server.
  
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  þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:07:09 JST þernia
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  @silverpill @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight @Hyolobrika @randrews how is support for hosting mitra on openbsd like? i'd like to look into it
  
  cheap domain + free oracle vps running :puffy: running mitra sounds based
  
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:31:02 JST silverpill
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  @pernia Yes, libressl should work. Webserver would be needed for HTTPS because Mitra doesn't provide this feature yet. If you're going to run a Tor instance, then webserver is not needed.
  
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  þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:31:04 JST þernia
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  @silverpill @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight @Hyolobrika @randrews would libressl work? also what features should the webserver have? i know nginx is in ports, but maybe httpd (in base, not apache) could work
  
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:46:04 JST silverpill
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  @pernia Mitra (the server) can serve its web frontend (or any other collection of static files), you don't need a separate webserver for that.
  A separate webserver like nginx is only required for handling HTTPS connections.
  
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  þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:46:05 JST þernia
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  @silverpill wudduhel, but it would still server a web frontend over tor or no
  >Mitra doesn't provide this feature yet
  should it? http is for hosting a frontend no?
  
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 04:04:49 JST silverpill
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  @Hyolobrika @randrews @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight The software can be very inefficient (like Mastodon, for which you have to pay more), it can be also be over-complicated and fragile (so you have to spend more time on it). I think people will slowly migrate to servers that are more efficient and simple. The end game is a social web node that doesn't need a domain name at all and runs from your phone.
  
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 04:04:50 JST Hyolobrika
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  >The competition between fedi software will eventually drive the price down to almost zero.
  How does that work then? Wouldn't the competition between hosting modes/providers be more relevant? The software itself is usually free of charge.
  
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 04:07:56 JST silverpill
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  @pernia Yes, I think that would be a nice feature.
  
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  þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 04:07:58 JST þernia
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  @silverpill wow, that's awesome. are you planning on adding https to mitra itself?
  
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  Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 09:46:54 JST Hyolobrika
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  Oh, I see. You meant the resource cost of running the software.
  And there's a social (reputation) and to some extent financial (donations) incentive to make your software efficient, so that sounds plausible.
  
  >The end game is a social web node that doesn't need a domain name at all and runs from your phone.
  Sounds like Revolver cc: @p
  
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  pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 10:07:10 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @Hyolobrika @silverpill @sun_eat3r @Penguinflight @randrews Yeah, Mitra's cool; I should follow it more closely than I do.
  
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