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   Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 08:39:47 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

   Is there a website or an online museum which tracked the originals of traditional #games and how it spread across different nations?

   There are traditional games in #Korea and the #Philippines which are (very) similar, yet, there was no known contact between the two nations at the time these traditional games were estimated to have been “developed”.

   That only leaves us with two possibilities:
   1. The games did develop independently. Which someone gives us the idea that humans think similarly regardless of place and time.

   2. Another foreign contact brought the games.

   Here are some examples:
   Korea: Red Light, Green Light.
   Philippines: Stop, Go.

   Philippines: Sipa (predates Spanish rule)
   Korea: I don't remember what it's called, but I first saw it in a #RunningMan episode.

   Korea: #SquidGame
   Philippines: #Patintero

   Marbles game
   Philippines: Jolen, Holen, or just marbles.
   Korea: can't remember what it's called.

   Korea: Gonggi
   Philippines: Jackstone

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     radioactivestardust (bookstardust@bildung.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:20:59 JST radioactivestardust

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     @youronlyone all those games are played in europe, too
     Sipa was also played in China
     Marbles have been played with for thousands of years, and those kinds of games were widespread probably even in Mesopotamia.

     Also asia and europe have been connected for a very VERY long time. Like there were romans who did travel to china.
     I also believe that civilizations came up with the same ideas independently at some points.

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     radioactivestardust (bookstardust@bildung.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:21:25 JST radioactivestardust

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     @youronlyone i am currently very invested in a podcast called "Fall of civilzations" which is very well researched and has a very high quality production and it made it very clear that we completely underestimated ancient societies and how well they were connected and interacting with each other and how awfully whitewashed and racist our idea of history has become.
     Like, if i look through my german school history curriculum we get Dinos, then stone age people and suddenly greeks

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:27:49 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @bookstardust Oooh! I'm going to go through that podcast!

     Yeah, I am of the similar view that we underestimated ancient societies.

     For me, I started questioning because, for example, we can't build a pyramid without using heavy machinery. And experts are saying the pyramids around the world were built on human strength (slavery or otherwise).

     Another is, we can't even duplicate the “Greek Fire”. The secret behind definitely died with the ancient Greeks.

     There is also the story that ancient Filipinos never had boats that can travel across the globe, or was unknown until Magellan. Yet, Philippine gold was found as far as Egypt, dated in B.C.E.! And Chinese records state that the first ones who reached their border through the ocean were ancient Filipinos, who taught them how to build huge ships that can traverse the open seas.

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     radioactivestardust (bookstardust@bildung.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:27:55 JST radioactivestardust

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     @youronlyone but inbetween was so much more, that was never mentioned. Or that we are so focused on "columbus discovering America" that we never told the story of all the other travels and empires and markets humans build up throughout the world. Humans have always been much more connected and far more developed than it seems.

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:44:40 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @bookstardust Truth.

     Here in the Philippines, we were taught that gunpowder was invented in the West. This was 80s to mid-90s. It was only when we got the Internet close to late-90s it changed. Gunpowder was invented by ancient Chinese.

     Like, “wow”. I think that was the first time I noticed the Western-centric pattern in how history was told.

     A decade ago, I learned that before the Spaniards conquered what we call today the Philippines, according to Antonio Pigafetta himself, when they first “discovered” the archipelago, they noticed:
     1. They raise their hands to pray to a being they call “Abba”.

     2. Gold is so abundant. They wear it on them. They just leave gold anywhere and everywhere and no one steals it because everyone owns gold.

     And YET, schools and supposedly “official history” taught:
     * Ancient Filipinos were idol worshippers (“anito”).
     * Were “uncivilized” and “poor”.

     Pigafetta even recorded how they almost did not return alive because ships as big as Spanish ships chased them throughout the archipelago after they kidnapped a prince of a certain “kingdom”. The ships came from the North (traced to be ancient Ilokanos). He further said that when they dropped the prince at some island in the South (traced to be Mindanao today), that was the only time the ships stopped chasing them. He recorded that they kidnapped the prince so no one will attack them anymore, but only the reverse happened.

     Sure, “history is written by the victors”. Still, it just shows how much was intentionally hidden from us to justify actions of the past.

     Someone even asked me, “Do you seriously want to believe that we are not better from the ancient peoples?”

     And I just said, so what if we are not? How can we move forward if we are not going to acknowledge ancient civilisation might have been as advanced, if not more, than us? We can learn a lot from them. Knowledge we have forgotten for some reason.

     Like, the Greek Fire. If we can unlock that, that knowledge can change a lot in modern thinking.

     If the ancients did know how to levitate, and we unlock how they did it, it will accelerate our attempts to create levitation and antigravity.

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     radioactivestardust (bookstardust@bildung.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:45:04 JST radioactivestardust

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     @youronlyone (also, it is just my reflection, of how whitewashed my education was and the ressources i could get. Your perception of the world was formed very differently, but because of colonialism, what was also taken away was different historical narratives and everyone was forced fed the white supremacy storytelling, even if no one asked for it, because it is part of opressing other nations/minorities/cultures.)

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     thepoliticalcat (thepoliticalcat@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:48:25 JST thepoliticalcat

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     @youronlyone Congklak? It's an Indonesian game played with a wooden board and cowrie shells. You're supposed to go around the board dropping a shell in each hole until your last shell, and then scoop up all the shells in whichever hole you land and repeat. Your turn ends when you land in an empty hole. I think there's an African game just like it, and I'd really like to know if anyone has seen such a game in any other country.

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jan-2024 20:49:31 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @thepoliticalcat Oooh! We have something similar in the Philippines!

     We call it “Sungkâ”.

     It's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT_z7uhqXfI

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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:36 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     So when we think of recognition, things we can learn from other ways of life and cultures, we should not think of magic first and thus degrade them again, because we only give them recognition if they are supernaturally superior to us. We cannot even imagine that in the simplest, most human way, they have not unlearned things that we lack.

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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:38 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     With a way of life that is causing the climate and biodiversity crisis.
     If we ran out of oil in a short time, our civilization would largely collapse, we would die, they would live. They have been living under our oppression for 500 years.
     What we call culture and progress may be technically correct, but it is not human. What we call prosperity is exploitation under the surface.
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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:39 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     But also the recognition that the path we are taking is not the only one or even a better one on which we have progressed, but a different one, and yet we must not see ourselves as superior or morally superior.
     In fact, one would have to say that we should learn from them culturally. A pandemic like Covid19 has brought the world a long-lasting economic collapse in 2-3 months, the consequences of which have not yet been overcome.
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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:41 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     Progress is understood as something that our technical and physical possibilities have not yet achieved (and never will in the case of levitation, excluding the help of machines).
     This is about something that we have actually lost. Contact with each other and awareness of our being. The recognition that we are different, that we grew up in different cultures, with different customs, with different knowledge and beliefs.
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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:42 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     I think what they can teach us about Western-centric views and supposedly modern civilization has nothing to do with the supernatural, but something much more down to earth. On the one hand I think it's a shame that the example of levitation was chosen, why would they have possessed supernatural knowledge? But on the other hand, it underlines our Western arrogance, our blind spots, our misunderstanding.
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     Solar Pierre (herrmannpierre@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 06:57:43 JST Solar Pierre

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     @youronlyone @bookstardust
     Yesterday I was in the library. While looking for books on social transition, I discovered a book with a strange title (I had slightly misread it, but it still piqued my curiosity) and I took it to read. It contained the speeches of South American indigenous people on various occasions in exchange with people from science and activism of industrialized societies.
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     John :mastodon: (freezepeach@twit.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Jan-2024 11:47:56 JST John :mastodon:

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     @thepoliticalcat @youronlyone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala

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     thepoliticalcat (thepoliticalcat@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Jan-2024 11:47:57 JST thepoliticalcat

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     @youronlyone Same! I hear there is also one in Africa!

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