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   gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 20:02:03 JST gnutelephony

   @abolitionmedia this is not uncommon, I have had experience with these kinds of horror too living in America. This is what many Americans really are.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 02:57:05 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia that many perpetraitors begin as victims, or are victims as they perpetrait may well also be true. But it offers no answers. Darwin offers one, but I prefer to think of it in a different way; for America to live the memes of Rome that propagate in American minds must die. Of course to even try to liberate others we must first decolonize ourselves of them.

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 02:57:06 JST molly in missouri

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     @gnutelephony @abolitionmedia It's what they are turned into by a system that rewards evil and punishes good.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:02:36 JST gnutelephony

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     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia I was thinking broadly of everyday people living down the street who are selfish and cruel, which even the bystander who chooses to do nothing ultimately still is, too.

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:07:39 JST molly in missouri

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     @gnutelephony @abolitionmedia I don't see these cops as victims, I see them as reaping the rewards by any means necessary.
     When they were *kids* they were victims.
     Nothing causes one to do this except greed and complete disregard for others as human beings.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:07:39 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia remember, the people living near these jails, etc, knew what is going on, too. It didn't effect them, and involved people they thought of as being less human, so they didn't care, too. Cruelty doesn't long survive without a social context where it can thrive.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:10:45 JST gnutelephony

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     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia we've had tribal members accused of rape, I have seen some of these trials, that are much like "to kill a mockingbird" first hand, Of what the police are, of what the "fine white townspeople" on the juries are, etc...

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:11:29 JST gnutelephony

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     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia the former cannot long endure without the complacency of the latter.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:13:58 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia and I will say it can become all too easy to simply judge and condemn them all, and consider armed struggle against an illegitimate society, too. Well, I wouldn't get that far being unable to see ;).

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:20:28 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia I did embrace a big idea once, about two decades ago, and even formally spoke with several national governments, after the Oceti Sakowin council were willing to consider this path, but too many people were afraid of it. It was to unwind the treaty relationships that form the legal basis for the present United States, starting with the Lakota treaties of Ft Laramie. Many of my larger ideas people seem to fear ;).

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:20:29 JST molly in missouri

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     @gnutelephony @abolitionmedia A lot of people 'assume' whatever is going on wouldn't be going on if it weren't ok --if it's the cops doing it. Especially if the cops mostly only do it to people who feel like others.
     We really need to get all those people in contact with at least one person, on a regular basis, who gives af about reality and humanity.
     It takes a lot of little efforts, but that's probably more sustainable for the long haul than relying on one charismatic leader or fearless group to win all the battles.
     I'm scared AF about stuff like this and have no idea where to start.
     I already have a small network of people who, like me, have a small network.
     I think I have to start there.
     I'm literally just making this up as I learn and go.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:24:09 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia my reasoning was simple. I saw how much of a social and psychological blow redrawing the Soviet borders were. Imagine having the poorest and most abused peoples in America telling you to fuck off en-mass like that.

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     molly in missouri (whatzaname@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:31:42 JST molly in missouri

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     @gnutelephony @abolitionmedia And no peace is possible while people with all the power and control over vast armies are personally insulted.
     So first we gotta relieve them of some of their power over us.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 03:31:42 JST gnutelephony

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     • molly in missouri

     @whatzaname @abolitionmedia sadly the most likely path to that is as a product of their own induced collapse. Slitting open the belly of the beast from the inside and getting the people to escape through non-violent action, which is what I was collaborating on with Russell Means, proved too large even for him, though we did try to.