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   Craig Groeschel (craig_groeschel@zeroes.ca)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:16:21 JST Craig Groeschel

   "They should start calling it 'airborne AIDS' [sic] and see if that gets peoples' attention." (Apr. 24, 2022) (Latin in original)
   https://twitter.com/craig_groeschel/status/1518256640792928258

   Moving my thread on airborne AIDS over from the bad place.

   [As an attempt to head some things off at the pass, may I say that, for posts with screenshots, I have tried to put what might otherwise be alt text inline. Do not get all prissy with me. The alt text is inline. You get what you get and you don't throw a fit. Honestly I might try not to post very many screenshots.]
   [Screen captures converted to grayscale, or saved with lossy compression, to save space.]

   (quote tweeting https://twitter.com/COVIDnewsfast/status/1518250162610532352 (Apr. 24, 2022) "Given what we do know to date about SARS 2, how can this not be the case? You gain no immunity through infection, and each infection is damaging your immunity. Once we've been infected 3-4-5 times in a row what's going to happen ?")

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:16:20 JST feld

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     @craig_groeschel
     
     >> The lifespan of a human memory T cell is of the order of 30–160 days
     
     it's a good thing we replace them regularly I guess
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     Craig Groeschel (craig_groeschel@zeroes.ca)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:16:21 JST Craig Groeschel

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     "Looks like data is showing that COVID is actually more like an Airborne HIV than even I thought.

     It's possible persistent virus, even a weaker one, could wear down T cells over time...

     So, that means that folks who have gotten multiple infections may not ever recover."

     Don Ford (Mar. 21, 2023) https://twitter.com/DonEford/status/1638282333970370561

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:21:49 JST Sexy Moon

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     • feld
     @feld @craig_groeschel how did a bat virus get so good at this
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:26:52 JST feld

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     • Hyolobrika
     @Hyolobrika @craig_groeschel it's fairly well covered in here from what I can tell. The individual memory T-cells don't need to live for years, only their clones
     
     > One way to resolve this apparent paradox is to view cellular behaviour from a kinetic viewpoint. As Michie et al. observed in 1992, “… memory is maintained by long-lived clones rather than individual cells with a long lifespan” [17]. The pivotal concept here is that it is the population that must be long-lived, not necessarily the individual cell. Hence, we need to refer to “cells conferring long-lived-memory”, rather than “long-lived memory cells”. This concept is widely accepted and very familiar to people studying the dynamics of T cell memory but has been slow to be adopted into some areas of immunology.
     
     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5371741/
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:26:53 JST Hyolobrika

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     • feld
     That quickly? How does immunity work then?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:40:52 JST feld

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     • Hyolobrika
     @Hyolobrika @craig_groeschel tbh what's being claimed by the op is that the memory T-cells are being damaged and their clones are becoming useless and/or not even being able to maintain their populations I guess