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   :suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:23:46 JST :suihead:

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   Yeah, it's still refusing to federate. Had some issues with it lately, I've noticed both shitposter instances and NCD since ~when we flipped the switch to let Darb and Dutch's FSE federate better. Can't federate anything we aren't tagged in from specific instances/users, it's weird.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:23:45 JST 

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     @Sui @DutchBoomerMan @p This little setting fucks everything up. You'd assume it only applies to API (viewing posts in browser), but it cripples federation as well. It's documented nowhere, and to make matters worse people like @coyote used to spread misinfo in their "fedi privacy guides".
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     :suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:26:59 JST :suihead:

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     I think it was one that mentioned "verified" but I'm just a lowly 🧹 and haven't fucked around with anything myself yet. When instances have different settings for it, it seemingly nukes federation at random?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:29:54 JST 

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     @Sui @DutchBoomerMan @p Yes, if it gets enabled, other servers regularly won't be able to fetch posts, so the only posts you'd see is from users on that instance that are followed by your own users. Recently goreslut.xyz had it enabled (I managed to convince them to disable it), apparently, SPC has it enabled as well, a couple moths before poast had it enabled too.
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     :suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:34:05 JST :suihead:

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     That's probably the main issue we're having then, we flipped it on before christmas. Is it likely to get patched so it works regardless, or do we have to try and get all the dark fedi admins to agree on what to set?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:35:38 JST 

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     @Sui @DutchBoomerMan @p Probably latter. Telling them to flip a single switch in adminfe is easier than telling them to apply a patch.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:41:08 JST 

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     @Sui @DutchBoomerMan @p I think @Moon, in fact, tried to fix this before. Not sure what visible:always part is about, though.
     https://codeberg.org/moonman/post-shitter/commit/4bdd377be5fa843d6a91d66c4140bcff8bc44760
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:47:19 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p allow me to reword in my own words so I can confirm I understand:
     
     if nobody on server B follows anybody on my server A, then server B's fetches of public activities from my server A will fail?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:48:12 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p What is happening here is I wanted the ability to make some users' posts always visible without authentication even if everything else is locked down.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:51:13 JST 

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     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p Yes. It might, in fact, fail even if you have followers from server B, as long as the signed fetch actor's key aren't cached. The server doesn't even attempt to fetch them, instead immediately returning "Not found".
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:52:46 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p OK, so potentially I could fix this by just having a synchronous check for the requester's key.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:53:57 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p well I consider this a bug that should be fixed in any case.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:53:58 JST 

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     • DutchBoomerMan
     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p Alternatively just flip the switch on an image above back into disabled state. Takes literally a second.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:57:16 JST 

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     • DutchBoomerMan
     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p The bug here is the whole fact that the settings which should only apply to API access affect federation as well. Your solution is just to make this switch into a duplicate signed fetch option.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:58:17 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p that would be a loophole around the setting if you really did want the setting.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:00:20 JST 

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     • DutchBoomerMan
     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p A loophole that can be patched with an already existing "authorized fetch mode" option.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:00:20 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p I didn't get much sleep last night so I'm having a hard time following this for some reason. I'll take a look at it again tomorrow.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:01:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p I knew that would come up in this conversation, and I agree it doesn't actually work if someone expends just a small amount of intelligent effort.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:01:42 JST 

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     • DutchBoomerMan
     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p (in a figurative sense; with how many years you wasted on this very network, you should know damn well signed fetches are a snake oil)
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:02:44 JST Sexy Moon

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     @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @mint @p sorry, I'll drop you on future replies.
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     DutchBoomerMan (dutchboomerman@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:02:45 JST DutchBoomerMan

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     Stop spamming my feed with Nerd shit
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:05:06 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @Sui @p the little bit of friction accomplishes what I want.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:05:07 JST 

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     • DutchBoomerMan
     @Moon @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @p Then why cling to them?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:05:33 JST 

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     @DutchBoomerMan @Sui @Moon @p Mute the thread.
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     DutchBoomerMan (dutchboomerman@decayable.ink)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:06:18 JST DutchBoomerMan

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     aight
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:09:01 JST 

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     @Moon @Sui @p So you want to pretend you're in a little silo. Got it.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:11:42 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @Sui @p it stops dipshit academic "researchers" and extremely low-effort scrapers.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:15:49 JST 

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     @Moon @Sui @p There are dozens of way of getting the posts that are as low effort as directly grabbing them from your instance's client API. I'm sure you heard about boardreader shenanigans.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:21:03 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @Sui @p no actually, tell me about it.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:24:18 JST 

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     @Moon @Sui @p P is in the thread, so he could tell you more. The gist is that there was as scraper that went on FSE's TWKN and attributed every federated post to FSE, which caused FBI to contact him because of fedpost on third-party server.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 04:25:18 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mint @Sui @p oh okay, I guess I did hear about that.