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   Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 01:55:54 JST Anil Dash

   • Fastly Devs

   Really pleased to see this post outlining how @devs helps deliver more of the fediverse than any other platform. And the majority of that is done for free, as part of our Fast Forward program for supporting open source and the open web. Best of all, there are *lots* of different platforms doing this work, exactly as you'd hope — the open web is more competitive and enables lots of different options. https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/who-hosts-the-fediverse-instances

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     jwz (jwz@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 03:18:17 JST jwz

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     @anildash Given the current Substack implosion, it's disappointing to see so many people still giving Cloudflare money. A company who's position on Nazis is basically: "We would gleefully do business with ISIS if we were not legally prohibited from doing so".

     Anil Dash and Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     jwz (jwz@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:35:57 JST jwz

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     • dm

     @_dm @anildash You are absolutely underplaying Cloudflare's commitment to profiting from hate. This is not some kind of "gosh, we don't know what people talk about in private on the telephone" thing. They know *exactly* who they are signing contracts with and what they will do.

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     Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:35:57 JST Anil Dash

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     • jwz
     • dm

     @jwz @_dm yeah, I think every infrastructure provider at scale is enabling some stuff that's bad or objectionable, the question is what they do when they _know_ it, and whether they enable sites that are specifically *about* that.

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     dm (_dm@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:36:03 JST dm

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     • jwz

     @jwz @anildash And to be clear, I say this to describe my own ruminating--I'm not sure I have an answer here.

     But, like, "We promote the best writers; see these Nazis on our homepage" feels quite different to me than, I dunno, "We issue TLS certs, and some of those certs are issued to Nazis."

     There's probably a bunch of shades of gray between those two extremes.

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     dm (_dm@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:36:04 JST dm

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     • jwz

     @jwz @anildash It might be stupid of me, but, personally, I have always felt there must be some difference between "platforms" vs "promoters".

     I struggle to get behind the idea of promoting and helping to monetize Nazis, but I also struggle to get behind the idea of everyone blocking Nazis from DNS resolution.

     CloudFlare's position strikes me as somewhat more principled than Substack's, though maybe still troublesome.

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     imkali (imkali@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 12:29:35 JST imkali

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     • jwz

     @jwz @anildash I think the problem there is that not enough people know about good cloudflare altermatives. Every guide says "I'll just go use cloudflare for mine" or something similar.

     Do you know of any links pointing to problems with Cloudflare and/or alternatives that I can share with others? I'll certainly make use of it too when I eventually get around to hosting a Firefish instance.