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   Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 12:31:45 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

   Why did you decide to talk to Americans about politics today, Liz. Bad girl!

   PS: Fully expect to be called a right-wing Nazi by end of the day.

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     Sean Bala (seanbala@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 12:56:13 JST Sean Bala

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     @liztai Oh dear...good luck! Americans are a bit high strung at the moment. And assume everyone else is too....

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 12:58:05 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @seanbala LOL can you imagine how they'd be during election season in Malaysia, where minorities get threatened with bloodshed each time??? lol. I guess compared to what I go through every electoral season theirs seem mild. I know I know I am not downplaying what they're going through but they need to get out more and realise they are quite lucky as well.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:00:11 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @karatekid it's okay, just the usual condescending "you don't know anything" remarks. I blame my impulse typing for this - I should NOT engage ever lol. They just don't explore other viewpoints and think anything outside theirs is not valid so I shall not bother anymore but sometimes I forget lol. I think most are quite knee-jerk reactive, like your neighbour, probably a protective thing. Once they talk to us they will understand .. but not all do, I have to say.

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     karatekid (karatekid@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:00:12 JST karatekid

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     @liztai As someone who lives in the USA I'm sorry to hear about your experience. But I've found that many times people outside the US often have less distorted perceptions because they haven't been brainwashed by US media and government propaganda.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:03:22 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @karatekid Though judging from the rather polite responses so far it's not bad. I understand the ID issue better now. Different countries, different strokes I guess.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:15:49 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • Sean Bala

     @seanbala Is it already election time btw

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:26:02 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • karatekid

     @karatekid Ps replied to the wrong thread omg. Sorry

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:28:34 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • ruralbbqdude

     @ruralbbqdude It's not as bad as I thought but you can never know with US Politics conversations. It tends to attract a lot of negativity. I think I'm pretty nervous talking about politics to Americans like your neighbour too, only because we often feel like we're being "evaluated" for "right thinking". And you don't know where you stand unless said American is clear about where he stands, so you navigate accordingly once you know if he is on the right or left. We r often told to take sides too

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     ruralbbqdude (ruralbbqdude@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:28:35 JST ruralbbqdude

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     @liztai How was it? A neighbor of mine is fron Kuala Lumpur. She was afraid I was one of those trumpers. It is wonderful to converse with her and find that we agree on so much and disagree very little.

     She has found it difficult over here in Alabama, she's been here with her family since 2017. Her garden is amazing!

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:33:41 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @dogfox What a stressful way to be. My sympathies. Twitterjaya (what we call Malaysian Twitter) is no different and is more toxic imho. Outright racist, vile things. THat's why I avoid electoral season in Malaysia because my race is often used as fodder for the bad actors.

     @karatekid

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:33:42 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai @karatekid

     You said it exactly. It is absolutely a protective thing, and not a real well-adjusted one. We are so used to propaganda and bad-faith nonsense and just idiots that the idea the someone might just not know is way far down our list of guesses about what's happening when someone asks a question. And then we are under so much pressure to guess what the scam is that we shoot our mouths off way before we work our way down the list.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:39:57 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox yea last election they paid tik tickers to post threatening content on tiktok. Basically bringing threatening to recreate a sensitive racial riot in the past where many many people were killed. Honestly, next to this it US folks are luckier. @karatekid@mastodon.socia

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:39:58 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai @karatekid

     You ain't kidding.

     Jeez... good luck out there.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:44:04 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox Very honestly - I get anxiety attacks every 5 years, wondering if THIS YEAR will be the year where actual racial riots will happen.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:44:42 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox yea unfortunately ours are, it's never proven but we all are "aware" of it.

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:44:43 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai

     Our election season may be highly annoying but our race-riot people are usually not paid out of campaign funds...

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:51:29 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai

     .... :(

     Seems kind of inadequate, but I'm not sure what else to say except that that is total bullshit and you shouldn't have to put up with that.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 13:51:29 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox It's okay really. Malaysians have endured a lot and are a pretty resilient lot. One thing I find interesting is we actually have a sense of humor about it all which may seem bizzare to outsiders lol. I mean, what else can we do? But lots of things have improved over the years, but due to social media our society has become dangerously polarised. It's sad but it's happening worldwide :/

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:00:49 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     I'm glad to hear that. Being in a group who shares jokes like that as a real sign of trust can make up for a whole lot.

     That's the thing I find about American stress. Because it is so constant and so personal it becomes very corrosive and dissolves the kinds of bonds and good humor that would make up for most of our...eccentricities.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:00:49 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox I think, and this is an observation, the cancel culture makes things worse and just stifles any healthy discussion. No way out really except to avoid all kinds of discourse about this.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:20:21 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @dogfox it's my personal observation, so I don't know what other Malaysians think lol. But I'm pretty contrary by nature as I like to listen and talk to both sides.

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:20:22 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai

     That's interesting. Is that what it looks like from over there?

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:27:45 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     It's also that, as a lefty American, I am obliged to never think it's cancel culture. So it's interesting to entertain the notion, especially with an outside perspective.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:27:45 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • PhDog 🇮🇪

     @dogfox I can only gauge from social media interactions, but I think there are plenty of centrist-ish Americans who are more reasonable. It's the loud ones that are getting amplified so I think my assumptions maybe exaggerated too. I have friends from both side of the spectrum but they're often more centrist than far left or right.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:28:49 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @dogfox So the reasonable ones, or the bridge between both sides have chosen to remain silent to get some peace. As a result, we only see extremes. Sad but I'm like that too. I avoid all political discussions except today lol XD

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:40:09 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     @dogfox Life is just better that way lol

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     PhDog 🇮🇪 (dogfox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 14:40:10 JST PhDog 🇮🇪

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     @liztai

     By American standards I am hard left, but I'm not crazy and I don't like fighting about it.

     That also makes me a total alien to the American media landscape (social or otherwise) who only has time for people who are simple and loud. So yeah, you get tons of people like all your friends who think whatever they think for whatever reason and mostly keep their heads down.