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   goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:13:53 JST goatsarah

   So, out of interest (I drive a Nissan Leaf, which is in many ways my ideal car, but they’re EOL), what car is available today that satisfies the following:

   Battery EV

   Not an iPad/SUV crossover

   Hatchback with decent boot space (previous comment about not an SUV still applies)

   Intelligent cruise control with lane following

   If Nissan updated the Leaf to have CCS2 and an actively cooled battery, it would be just perfect IMO, but instead they scrapped it and replaced it with the Ariya, which is an SUV/iPad crossover and they broke one of the Leaf’s best features (e-pedal) in the process too.

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     Simon Waldman (swaldman@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 01:53:18 JST Simon Waldman

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     @goatsarah Seriously? They've stopped the Leaf? That's v sad.

     OTTOMH: ID3 / Born, MG4, probably Ionic 5 if not too big, possibly the new Peugeot e-308 (or the e-208 if it's big enough for you). BYD Dolphin. Ora Funky Cat if you don't hate the looks.

     *Possibly* the Smart #1, but I'm not sure how much it reads as an SUV.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 01:55:24 JST goatsarah

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     • Simon Waldman

     @swaldman

     Thanks. That’s very helpful. FAO @zoe

     Relevant to our interests.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 02:14:57 JST goatsarah

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     • Simon Waldman
     @swaldman @zoe Yeah. Seeing a big touchscreen and an empty dash is an instant turnoff
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     Simon Waldman (swaldman@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 02:14:59 JST Simon Waldman

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     • Zoë O'Connell

     @goatsarah @zoe Glad. It's almost certainly not exhaustive! And given subsequent conversation, a few of them might be too much in the "ipad with wheels" category...

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 00:36:51 JST goatsarah

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     • mobbsy
     @mobbsy does it have ProPilot and epedal equivalents?
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     mobbsy (mobbsy@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 00:36:52 JST mobbsy

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     @goatsarah The new Renault Megane EV seems to be the closest to "Leaf, but newer". It has real buttons.

     Upgraded from a 2016 Mk1 Leaf (after doing 70k miles in that) to a 2020 Mk2 Leaf about 2 weeks ago, test drove the Megane and might well have gone for it, but needed something without a trashed battery ASAP so went 2nd hand.

     Already had a chance to regret the lack of both CCS and 22kW A/C charging...

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 19:25:24 JST goatsarah

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     @mobbsy that’s pretty much what I need for ProPilot, yeah.

     Nissan broke e-pedal on the Aryia. The car creeps with no feet on the pedals 😞

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     mobbsy (mobbsy@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 19:25:25 JST mobbsy

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     @goatsarah e-Pedal - not really. It's got strong regen braking but not full single-pedal driving. When I test drove it, I hadn't used e-Pedal, but after a couple of weeks of use I can see why it'd be something that you'd really miss.

     ProPilot - it has adaptive cruise control, lane keeping and blind spot warning. I think that covers the functionality I know of. Anything else?

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 22:52:37 JST goatsarah

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     @zoe @swaldman Yeah. It's like they got the people in who vomited up (I refuse to use the word "designed" here) electric oven and hob controls.
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     Zoë O'Connell (zoe@zoeoconnell.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 22:52:38 JST Zoë O'Connell

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     @swaldman @goatsarah I think every single one of those lacks physical climate controls - suggesting they've falled into the trap of normal driving operations requiring unsafe interaction with a touch screen. And potentially significant interaction if you need to switch away from and then back to CarPlay/Android Auto being used for navigation.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 23:19:02 JST goatsarah

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     @swaldman @zoe “you got water on the controls? Ok, let’s play COOKING TEMPERATURE WHEEL OF FORTUNE!”
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     Simon Waldman (swaldman@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 23:19:04 JST Simon Waldman

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     @goatsarah
     @zoe
     Yes!! I have a touch-button hob for the first time in my current place and I am screaming "why? Turning knobs was perfectly good, and you made it worse!". Though it is easier to clean.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 00:21:07 JST goatsarah

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     @swaldman @zoe The Leaf does that too, to be fair.
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     Simon Waldman (swaldman@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 00:21:08 JST Simon Waldman

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     • Zoë O'Connell

     @goatsarah @zoe Also, "You put something down on this cold and not-in-use cooking surface? I will BLEEP AT YOU INCESSANTLY until you move it or turn the power off".

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     Zoë O'Connell (zoe@zoeoconnell.co.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 00:31:27 JST Zoë O'Connell

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     • Simon Waldman

     @swaldman @goatsarah I’m always drawn to aviation as a good example of UI design as errors can have major consequences.

     Even the shiny glass cockpit on an Airbus uses ACTUAL KNOBS AND BUTTONS. Even if the button is context-sensitive, there’s something to jab at.

     I get the ease of cleaning for a hob but there are better ways of doing it.

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