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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 23:32:04 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

Did Tolkein intend for modern day Little People/Dwarfs to be linked with Dwarves from #lotr
I have thought about this alot and I think we can agree with a solid no. There is no description in his work of Dwarvews being able to intermate with any other race. In fact there is strong evidence they likely couldnt.
However hobbits could, in fact, interbreed with humans (as elves could). I suspect Tolkein intended modern day Little People to be associated with hobbits rather than dwarves.
I also say that its likelyt here is a connectiona t all because tolkein did write LotR as if it was a pre-history. So I suspect he did intend some sort of connection somewhere.

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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 23:51:01 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @trinsec "butchering"... I never heard that word used before to mean "correcting"
  
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  Trinsec (trinsec@trinsec.org)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 23:51:05 JST Trinsec
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  @freemo@qoto.org Can you please stop butchering Tolkien's name already?! 😬
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:45:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  This seems to address racism more so than racial prehistory.
  I think its clear that huamns from his books are modern day race of humans. I think its also clear many modern day species like spiders and eagles are intended to be descended from those in the boom.
  That said orcs and dwarves are certainly less clear but i think its a safe bet that tolkein intended modern day races to be connected to these anctient races in some way.
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  Peter Drake, he/him, LFHCfS 🔥 (peterdrake@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:45:26 JST Peter Drake, he/him, LFHCfS 🔥
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  @trinsec @freemo Did Tolkien's fantasy races represent contemporary peoples? It's complicated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_race
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    Tolkien and race
    
    J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth fantasy writings have often been accused of embodying outmoded attitudes to race. However, scholars have noted that he was influenced by Victorian attitudes to race and to a literary tradition of monsters, and that he was anti-racist both in peacetime and during the two World Wars.With the late 19th century background of eugenics and a fear of moral decline, some critics believed that the mention of race mixing in The Lord of the Rings embodied scientific racism. Other commentators thought that Tolkien's description of the orcs was modelled on racist wartime propaganda caricatures of the Japanese. Critics have noted, too, that the work embodies a moral geography, with good in the West, evil in the East.Against this, Tolkien strongly opposed Nazi racial theories, as seen in a 1938 letter he wrote to his publisher, while in the Second World War he vigorously opposed anti-German propaganda. His Middle-earth has been described as definitely polycultural and polylingual, while scholars have noted that attacks on Tolkien based on The Lord of the Rings often omit relevant evidence from the text. ...

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