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    Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 17:56:58 JST Shauna GM Shauna GM

    "To review: Boeing built a plane that was difficult to fly, then added software that autocorrects these difficulties, but decided that if that software fails, the pilot should save the day by figuring out how to fly the difficult-to-fly plane."

    They didn't even tell the pilots about the software.

    The pilot of the first crashed 737 Max spent his final minutes "paging through the pilot manual, trying to determine what was going wrong. This was futile; any mention of MCAS had been removed."

    In conversation Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 17:56:58 JST from social.coop permalink

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      Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:34:10 JST Shauna GM Shauna GM
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      As you might expect, corporations don't like torts.

      "Tort reform" has been a Republican calling card for decades. What tort reform actually means is restricting your right to go to court, especially against corporations.

      For example, "tort reform" in Michigan has prevented people there from suing Merck for selling a pill that caused strokes or suing Purdue/the Sacklers for pushing opioids.

      The conservative legislation-peddling outfit ALEC has been pushing these kinds of laws for years.

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      Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:34:12 JST Shauna GM Shauna GM
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      Corporations like Boeing make these decisions because they are legally incentivized to.

      One way of holding them accountable for these decisions is through torts. Torts are a civil procedure whereby people who do harm negligently or intentionally can be held liable for damages even if they haven't broken a law or a contract.

      It's a vital part of preventing wrongdoing in a changing world where many kinds of harms can't be identified and legislated ahead of time.

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      Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:34:13 JST Shauna GM Shauna GM
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      You might ask: how could such a choice be allowed? Don't we have government regulators to oversee this sort of thing?

      Two words: regulatory capture. The head of the FAA at the time was a former Boeing lobbyist. With the encouragement of George W Bush, who was trying to "deregulate" the airline industry, he worked to make the FAA more corporate-friendly. The decision to remove MCAS from the pilot manuals was supported by the FAA.

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      Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 00:34:14 JST Shauna GM Shauna GM
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      I'm struggling to articulate how horrifying I find that previous section. It is some of the most reckless, arrogant, patronizing, and incompetent systems design I have ever heard of.

      To think you could *possibly* design software that would always work. To think that pilots didn't even need to know about it. And yet to somehow think that a pilot that *didn't even know the software existed* could somehow compensate in the "unlikely" case that something went wrong?

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