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   benni (benni@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:24:42 JST benni

   • sofia ☮️🏴

   @sofia yes, but not like today but neither a bad or a good sign. just life.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:25:39 JST lainy

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @sofia @benni many public protests could not happen because there would be no public spaces in the sense that exist today. I'd expect most protests would be more like consumer boycotts today.
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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:25:40 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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     @benni interesting. how would you think those would work? don't they need someone to address?

     i guess i'm in the minority, since i would have answered "no", except perhaps as a very bad sign for the re-emergence of government…

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:36:13 JST lainy

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @benni @sofia i mean, there would be spaces that are used by many people, but without a state there wouldn't be 'public' spaces as in 'owned by the state and everyone has a right to protest there because there's a law that says it'
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     benni (benni@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:36:14 JST benni

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     • sofia ☮️🏴

     @lain in every society there are public spaces. This is part of what makes them a society. @sofia

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:50:44 JST lainy

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @sofia @benni I have not, i'll read it.
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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:50:45 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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     • lainy

     @lain @benni have you read this?: https://c4ss.org/content/14721

     i think there is quite some utility to having some unowned spaces that outweigh the problems, so people would probably have them.

     what seems a little trickier is to what extend things like streets would be considered unowned or collective property of the people that live there.

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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 00:11:06 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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     • lainy

     @lain @benni i think it's good, though it's been a while since i read it and also i had similar thoughts before reading it so i can't say it's what convinced me 😅.

     also there's an audio version, sorry for not mentioning it earlier: https://archive.org/details/MarketsNotCapitalismAudiobook/03-01+Long+-+A+Plea+for+Public+Property.mp3

     it seems to me like trying to pake property a moral principle gets absurd pretty quickly: do i own all the air i exhaled? if not, why? the whole property form labour fails because the adding of value is subjective.

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