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   ᛋᚪᛒᛖᛋ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇦🇺 (sabex@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:39 JST ᛋᚪᛒᛖᛋ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇦🇺

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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:34 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     • Waughhead Rex
     All sounds fine to me. But keep in mind that's exactly how the US started, restricted to Whites only. Then the wrong people got into power and reversed that rule, and successfully prevented those at the bottom from exiting.
     
     The ability to exit is key. If we don't have that we don't have anything. It needs to be guarded jealously.
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     pyrate (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:35 JST pyrate

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     • Waughhead Rex
     @Eiregoat @Sabex @WaughheadRex sure which is per the policy that all granted access to higher office must be natural born descendants of European lineage. Absolutely zero tolerance for anyone with dual citizenship to any foreign nation, if discovered it will be met with extreme consequences depending on the severity.
     
     The US as we know it today will be overhauled into something else. It will no longer bear the title "Nation of Immigrants"
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     pyrate (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:36 JST pyrate

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     • Waughhead Rex
     @Eiregoat @WaughheadRex @Sabex I do not believe society could function without some level of arbitration. Even if we woke up In a completely homogenized country, we would still need rules and sound governance to handle our services.
     
     At the end of the day I left the lolberts for this reason, they had no ideas to handle collective problems that would ultimately render their ancapistan utopia into a highly atomized Somalian shithole.
     
     My political solution is a neo-Fascist order.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:36 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     • Waughhead Rex
     Arbitration is fine, but if you don't get to pick the arbitrators then there's no point. White countries fail when the ruling class grow beyond our control. In order to keep them under control we need the ability to withdraw our labour from their slush funds.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:37 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     • Waughhead Rex
     Capital and labour don't make land, but they do mix with it. If I spend years clearing an acre in a forest and fertilising it it is now no longer some common property of humanity. It's my farm and you can't have it.
     
     Georgism fails because it assumes some giant central authority to control land, and thus everything anyone can build. This authority will inevitably attract the most corrupt and evil.
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     Waughhead Rex (waughheadrex@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:09:38 JST Waughhead Rex

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     @Sabex caught in the short sighted marx model of capital, labor. land is also a factor, capital and labor don't make land. henry george figured this out; tax land, leave productivity untouched. slavery is a status label, is anyone free? everyone is being exploited by others to a greater or lesser degree.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:28 JST NEETzsche

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     • Senator_Armstrong
     @Senator_Armstrong And your proposed solution is, what? Absolute monarchy? One of those oligarchy setups like Russia? None of these polities last forever before getting corrupt and shitting the bed. The American republic hasn't even actually fallen yet, we're just very dissatisfied with it, and it's one of the oldest regimes on the planet at this point.
     
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:32 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex Inaccurate - blackrock isn't the state it's private and it owns everything. That's liberalism.
     
     And I don't understand what your interest in de-centralization is when the last civil war already showed why that doesn't work against the empire. You're just on track to repeat the same outcome at this rate.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:33 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     • Senator_Armstrong
     If you get to decide what community you contribute to (or not) then you own your own labour and you are not a slave. Individual self ownership is the bedrock of any community worth belonging to.
     
     > You're defending neo-liberalism ideologically right now, don't pretend like you're against it.
     
     Not in the slightest. State ownership of citizens is the foundation of the modern economic order. Without that it falls apart.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:34 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     Again, you're missing the point. The question isn't "should I spend everything on myself and nothing on my community," it's "Who gets to decide who 'my community' is?".
     
     If we have individual self ownership then we get to decide our own communities and contribute accordingly. If we're just slaves of some neo-liberal tax farm then we get milked to serve the needs of a system that hates us.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:34 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex I get to decide what my community is. Although honestly your race is really decided for you from birth. You're defending neo-liberalism ideologically right now, don't pretend like you're against it.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:35 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     • Senator_Armstrong
     @Eiregoat @Sabex It really comes down to what is your concept of morality? Is it that you should serve the self or that you're to serve others? If you're self-aligned, then no virtue signal about "rights" would justify working against your own self interest. That would be seen as homosexual.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:36 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex You can measure their actions and in the example you gave you could pretty easily conclude the feds aren't helping white people.
     
     If you want to push ideology above ethnicity values on people - ironically you're promoting their slavery. That's the kind of scam you'd tell your occupied lands to keep them from revolting.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:37 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex As defined by the tribal in-group, sure. But never to such an extent that it undermines the tribe.
     
     There's no need to have the same law for both in and out group. You'd treat the out-group like heretics and the in-group like godly people.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:37 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     That's the problem though. With an ethical philosophy founded on self ownership it's easy to resolve any conflict of ownership over labour.
     
     If it's based on "tribal in-group" then how do you resolve disputes between two groups claiming to be the tribe.
     
     For example, if both the federal government and "White people" claim to be your tribe then who is correct?
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:38 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     The first part is conditional. It says *IF* you have the exclusive right to your labour then taxation is immoral.
     
     If you claim there is no such exclusive right then we move to the second claim that we must therefore be slaves.
     
     And none of that relates to your response about tribal factions.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:38 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex It's the morality of slavery in debate here. I'd say enslaving enemy tribes is moral.
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:38 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     But you acknowledge that at least some people have the right to own their own labour and are not slaves?
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:40 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     That doesn't contradict his claim.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:40 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Eiregoat @Sabex It contradicts his claim about morality. Let me rephrase. The first premise is flawed. Taxes aren't immoral because you don't have any "exclusive right" to labor gains.
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     Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 10:13:41 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     @Sabex No it is not that simple because men are divided into factions that render these abstract virtue signals irrelevant. I don't care if people who want my race dead are enslaved. Fuck them. They deserve it.