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   azalea (azalea@woem.space)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 06:46:10 JST azalea

   • The Wolf of Wallsocket Street dir. Martin Underscorcese

   @ezri @larsfrommars my flaming hot take is that most people only have a problem with grooming because its sexual

   theyre completely fine with objectifying and removing autonomy from minors . they only have a problem when its sexual, because thats what makes them feel Disgust about it (and they just ignore, yknow, the trauma . or, they ignore it until they can use it to say they’re Protecting The Children™)

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 06:46:08 JST Sexy Moon

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     @azalea @ezri @larsfrommars I can’t wrap my head around this no matter how hard I try, yes the relative extreme awfulness of sexual grooming is why people take it more seriously than not letting teens stay out all night.
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     azalea (azalea@woem.space)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 08:05:20 JST azalea

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     @Moon @ezri @larsfrommars “not letting teens stay out all night” isnt what im talking about though

     my main point is that most people base their morality solely on how much disgust they have towards something, rather than the actual impact it has, meaning that when theres a situation that has the same impact but doesn’t trigger their disgust, they don’t have any problem with it

     and this carries over to what i can only describe as non-sexual grooming, situations that have the same emotional dynamic to sexual grooming (and traumatize the victim similarly), but contain nothing directly sexual
     e.g. objectifying someone and treating them as being a Single Thing, ignoring every part of them that doesn’t fit into what you want out of them, and trying to make them think that your perception of them is Absolute Truth (this isn’t a great explanation; its hard to put it into words and actually get across The Whole Picture™)

     telling a teenager “oh you have to come home by [time]” isnt directly part of this, but telling them that they have a Moral Duty to do whatever their parent says is (its not the worst that this type of situation can get, but it absolutely contributes)

     sexual grooming is awful because of the trauma it causes to the victim, and people do in fact treat it as bad
     non-sexual grooming is also awful, and also traumatizes the victim, but it’s treated as perfectly fine (and even encouraged!) by most of society because they don’t feel disgusted by it
     the end result is that the reason people treat sexual grooming as bad isnt because of the harm it causes, its solely because of disgust

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2024 08:05:40 JST Sexy Moon

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     @azalea @ezri @larsfrommars Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I understand your position better now