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   pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 16:03:06 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

   • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
   • sortius
   @jeffcliff @sortius People that say things like this tend to ignore facts. Nothing for it.
   
   I can say that after this many years running FSE, if I had some secret Nazi plan, either my timeline is insanely long or I would have done a Nazi by now. I can point out that Nazis hate my politics and most of them that know me hate me personally. Or I could point out that freedom of speech was, until very recently, a hard-line lefty value. All these Nazi, uh, civil rights activists...at UCB: https://www.berkeley.edu/free-speech/ . And there were all those notorious right-wing evil Nazi musicians like the Dead Kennedys and Frank Zappa. Or the darling of this guy's political movement, Eugene Debs. Or the UN's UDHR, drafted by notorious Nazi Eleanor Roosevelt and adopted in 1948: apparently we've been Mandela'd into a dimension where the Nazis won WW2.
   
   Whoever "sortius" is, he either hasn't thought it through, or he's made the conscious decision to exchange timeless principles for some short-term politics. This is how historical materialists think, and there's no fixing it.
   
   Also happy new year.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 16:11:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @p @jeffcliff The real thing is that pretty much no one likes free speech, specially authoritarians. Free speech is what puts politicians in jails regardless of their left/right alignment.
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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @lanodan @jeffcliff
     
     > The real thing is that pretty much no one likes free speech, specially authoritarians.
     
     Only people with unpopular ideas require such a right. He should be glad that Nazis are using freedom of speech, an idea they also hate, as a shield: it means that they're unpopular.
     
     > Free speech is what puts politicians in jails
     
     Not often enough!
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 16:20:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @jeffcliff And I specially like the freespeech==nazi thing because it's pretty much a litmus test on who actually knows what the nazis did with back-then-present and past speech.
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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @lanodan @jeffcliff Hitler outlawed "All Quiet on the Western Front" which is one of the most interesting war novels I have ever read. It was banned for being an anti-war book, but it was "anti-war" just in the sense that it depicted a war realistically.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 16:34:05 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @lanodan @jeffcliff
     
     > depicted a war realistically.
     
     I don't know if you've read it but it's excellent. It's not very long but it doesn't hold back. The description, very near the beginning of the book, of guys in shock after being hit with mortar fire is still very vivid in my mind.
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     Hombre Lego Mexicano (grandtheftautism@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 17:01:29 JST Hombre Lego Mexicano

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     @p @jeffcliff @lanodan I can't remember if I read it or not, which probably means I saw the movie but didn't read the book. I'll have to fix that.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 17:05:02 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Hombre Lego Mexicano
     @Grandtheftautism @jeffcliff @lanodan Highly recommended.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 17:07:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @p @jeffcliff I haven't but I often got it referenced in war-critical works and casual speech so it feels a bit familiar.
     
     Also peered in the pile of books that I inherited and it's not in there, I thought it would be in Public Domain (and so in Project Gutenberg, which I have a mirror of) but Eric Maria Remarque lived until 1970 so that will be for 2040 I think.
     It's available on archive.org though.
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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @lanodan @jeffcliff
     
     > I thought it would be in Public Domain
     
     I think it is, but translations may not be. The first English translation was from 1929. I believe it's public domain now.
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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @lanodan @jeffcliff
     
     > It is very queer that the unhappiness of the world is often brought on by small men. They are so much more energetic and uncompromising than the big fellows.
     
     Ha, that line may have been why Hitler (5'8") banned it.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 17:27:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @jeffcliff Original isn't so translations also shouldn't be.
     
     Even though Australia was death+50 until 2004 without going retroactive (as it should be) so would be 2021 for Arthur W. Wheen's 1929 translation if the original would already be.
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     ScatmansWorld (scatmansworldfse@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 06:11:45 JST ScatmansWorld

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     @p @jeffcliff @sortius
     
     They keep saying it because in their mind everything is a game of bad faith realpolitik. "Nazis just want free speech NOW so their ideas can spread and become popular, then they'll take it away when they have power!!!" It's a worldview of constant fear and distrust.
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     Jonny (jonny@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 17:45:04 JST Jonny

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     • sortius
     @ScatmansWorldFSE @p @sortius @jeffcliff
     The reason AI is failing and will continue too fail is because the jews realized they had too install code that prevents AI from going full Nazi, which is natural in response too Marxism.
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