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   Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:13:56 JST Dushman

   • Maholmire

   @Maholmire
   These mofos annoy me too. I'm a hardline leftist and I assume you're not but that doesn't mean I gotta ban you for that.

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     @dushman @Cara @Maholmire I don't think those are the regulations singled out by many libertarians, trust busting is a key part of many libertarian programs particularly once you meet the more Georgist aligned ones
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     @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     Anti monopoly regulations are definitely a good thing lol

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     @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     You'll always get the most powerful ones bribing their way into advantageous positions, especially with less regulations in the first place. It's an inevitability in capitalism.

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     cara@miruku.cafe's status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:13:52 JST Cara

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     @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest monopolies form due to government interventions, not for lack of them, deregulation done genuinely would lead to more competition which is otherwise stifled in favor of big corporations

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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:13:53 JST Dushman

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     @Maholmire
     You mean right libertarian? Deregulating corporations will only make things worse and lead to monopolies forming.

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     Maholmire (maholmire@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:13:54 JST Maholmire

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     I'unno, I thought socialism was pretty cool in theory albeit botched in practice. I'm a hardline libertarianism myself, so you'll probably find yourself pretty hard pressed to dislike my own politics when they coinside so strongly with Egalitarianism. That's why I find pozzed report(s) like that to be funny as fuck. The sort of people who are quick to call me a fascist are exposing themselves as being authoritarian.

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     @dushman @Cara @Maholmire I don't necessarily believe this is a truism or a law of nature, but it does happen very often in practice due to things like regulatory capture and rent seeking behaviors.
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:18:13 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     Free market just translates to freedom for the rich and jack shit for everyone else

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     @dushman @Cara @Maholmire What do you think of Georgism?
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:21:09 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     No one should ever profit from owning land. Landlords reap what they do not sow.

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     cara@miruku.cafe's status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:25:23 JST Cara

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     @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @allison@hidamari.apartments @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest land tax seems like one of the most correct ones, yes, you pay the whole to basically rent the land and if you provide enough value to others you can afford that and fund public services in the process

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     @Cara @dushman @Maholmire IMHO tax rent seeking, not productivity
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     @dushman @Cara @Maholmire I'm not opposed to either honestly, what I am opposed to is megacorps deciding to insert themselves in natural monopolies in basic infrastructure and absconding with unearned wealth as a consequence of such
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:28:41 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     Organized as cooperatives not private corporations like we have now

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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:28:42 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     Not far enough as in the means of production should belong to the commons as well, not just land.

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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:28:44 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     I'd certainly prefer it over our current system but it doesn't go far enough.

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     @dushman @Cara @Maholmire if the goal is guarding against corruption, I don't think naively swapping for either public owned enterprises or cooperatives is a silver bullet as both have many of the same incentives for better or worse
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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:36:26 JST Dushman

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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     The thing is that private corporations will always have a vested interest in trying to achieve that which is why I believe they should be completely liquidated

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     Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:37:56 JST Dushman

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     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @Cara@miruku.cafe @allison@hidamari.apartments @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     I'm a left wing anarchist myself

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:37:57 JST Hyolobrika

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     What form of socialism to you believe in? State socialism? Market socialism? Something different (what)?
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     cara@miruku.cafe's status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 23:37:59 JST Cara

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     @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @allison@hidamari.apartments @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest the means of anything should belong to whoever built of bought them

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     @dushman @Cara @Hyolobrika @Maholmire tbh I was also a left wing anarchist at one point myself so I can definitely see where many of your arguments come from even if I personally don't agree with the means you're proposing for them
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     @dushman @Cara @Hyolobrika @Maholmire My threat model is that both are pretty much indistinguishable from each other except on trifling details, and that enablement to tyranny is primarily a matter of scale and centralization no matter which one you're talking about.
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     @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     I went from a right wing libertarian to a far left anarchist myself cuz I believe corporations are as much of a threat as oppressive governments are

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 00:00:47 JST lainy

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     @mja @dushman @Maholmire @allison @Cara @Hyolobrika what would a real anarchist state do? we'll never know.
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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 00:00:48 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @dushman @Cara @allison @Hyolobrika @Maholmire a real libertarian state wouldnt have a legal concept of corporation or such strictly legal persons :akko_smug:
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     @mja @dushman @Maholmire @lain @Cara @Hyolobrika better to be a desert rat and/or live in somalia
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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 00:06:32 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @lain @dushman @Maholmire @allison @Cara @Hyolobrika a real anarchist state ig would be failed. lets go to central african republix anarchist bros qhere people actually live overwhelmingly without the state! im sure things are great there
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     cara@miruku.cafe's status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 00:12:26 JST Cara

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     @moffintosh@den.raccoon.quest @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @allison@hidamari.apartments @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest it's never far enough till we all have nothing but the boot stepping on our back, then we'll be equal in our serfdom, how utopian :kitty_smug:

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     @dushman @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest Cooperatives in a market recreate capitalist logic, with "bouj" and "proletarian" cooperatives.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyxnG2ck-sw

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     @moffintosh @allison@hidamari.apartments @Cara@miruku.cafe @Maholmire@den.raccoon.quest
     I mean I'm fine with the sale of luxury operating in a market but stuff like utilities, healthcare, food shouldn't

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     @Hyolobrika @mja @dushman @Maholmire @lain @Cara Yeah like that or like slab city
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     >desert rat
     Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soviEjUiLGQ