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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:35:29 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   I dunno whats worse, the fact that Biden's senility is so bad he is a laughing stock, or the fact that people, fully seeing his senility, might still find it better than Trump, and they arent entierly wrong either.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:38:14 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     I mean, I find them both to be so far into the absolute shit category that comparing them is a pointless exercise. Its like debating which pedophile would make a better babysitter.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:38:15 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo I mean, they are wrong that #JoeBiden is better than #Trump, although perhaps less so than they would be in, say, 2016 or 2019

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:42:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins We havent had a "good" president in yours or my lifetime. Trump did things intentionally to look good due to the idiocy of the american people at the expense of actual long term harm constantly.

     For example people will say he did good on economy by looking at unemployment or stock figures. When the truth is he engaged in massive QE on a level never before conducting in US history. It has the known effect of creating a short term temporary spike in economy at the expense of massive crippling long term inflation. Everyone was screaming foul. Now here we are suffering from those effects but because Trump manipulated the situation everyone is going to blame it on Biden instead.

     Thats **not** a good president, thats a president with an ego, a president who cares how people see him, not what good he actually does.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:43:00 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo I mean, in general #Trump was a pretty good president, although I still hold his treatment of #MikePence and the #COVID19 stimulus checks against him. Both of those things were at best, severe lapses of judgement, which is why I’m not exactly supporting him during the #GOP primary process. We can certainly do better than him this time around.

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     baley (baley@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:05:43 JST baley

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     @freemo Trump is a horrible person. Full stop. On behalf of trans people, woman and their right to choose, people of color or of a religion not Christian, or needing a hand up in this world at all, I have to say you are woefully lacking in empathy for anyone except yourself.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:08:45 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Baley Huh, Trump is a horrible person, I agree... why does him being a horrible person me that **I** am lacking of empathy for others? Also why would I want to debate trump being a horrible person, I say it daily.... your response is very confusing.

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     baley (baley@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:08:46 JST baley

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     @freemo I know you would like to debate this but there is no debate.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:10:45 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Baley My best guess is you totally misread my post.. nothign in it disagrees with you, trump is a bad person.

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     baley (baley@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:14:53 JST baley

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     @freemo Yeah, I still don't want to debate this.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 23:17:36 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Baley Why would we debate something we agree on though?

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     David Mitchell :CApride: (davidm_yeg@mstdn.ca)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:05:38 JST David Mitchell :CApride:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins

     Complex systems take time to change… best practice is to look back a government of two to explain what you see now.

     The announcement of a thing isn’t the thing itself… that will take time. If a program is good look for an announcement ten years ago, and thank that person. If things are shitty, look for a change made 4-6 years ago.

     If I’m running full tilt across a field and trip, I won’t find the hole that tripped me where my body landed.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:05:38 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Its more nuanced than that. Some changes will and do happen instantly, others may take a life time. For example stock prices will usually suddenly shift around an election. This effect is immediate and will ripple out to effect the economy. These effects are usually the day of the election and repeated on inauguration day.

     Public perception can have huge impacts on economy but the much larger and long lasting effects tend to take time as you say.

     @realcaseyrollins

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:11:01 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     fair

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     David Mitchell :CApride: (davidm_yeg@mstdn.ca)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:11:02 JST David Mitchell :CApride:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins

     Point taken, but to what extend to those immediate effects work out ‘in the wash’ as notable but in the end not necessarily more significant than any other demonstration of market volatility?
     My point is that we generally pay too much attention to economic weather and are blind to the things that affect the economic climate.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:19:04 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @DavidM_yeg

     Well stock prices are a great measure of **perceived** economic health.

     @realcaseyrollins

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     David Mitchell :CApride: (davidm_yeg@mstdn.ca)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:19:05 JST David Mitchell :CApride:

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     And that’s why stock prices are a pretty shitty way to measure the health of your nation and its economy

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:19:07 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo @DavidM_yeg While you’re right, stock prices are 50% perception. The general idea of someone doing something can impact stock prices.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:32:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Its not their perception of what "it ought to be" though, its their perception of what is. That perception may be true it may not. But even if it isnt true its equally as important as it effects the truth.

     How people perceive the economy, particularly over long periods of time, effect how they spend and invest, and that has very real quantifiable long term results.

     You simply cant seperate one from the other, which is why the stock markets value is a very critical metric and neccesary (among many factors) in assessing both the current situation but more importantly what the economy will look like in the future.

     @realcaseyrollins

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     David Mitchell :CApride: (davidm_yeg@mstdn.ca)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 00:32:27 JST David Mitchell :CApride:

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     @realcaseyrollins @freemo

     Yup. Having survived half a century on this planet, I find it is more fruitful to spend my time on uncovering what actually *is* rather than other people’s perception of what they decided it ought to be.