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   gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Dec-2023 22:59:39 JST gnutelephony

   The 20th century can be defined by humanity actually trying to rise above itself, and failing. The 21st may be defined by humanity choosing extinction instead.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 20:28:50 JST gnutelephony

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     • Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

     @kegill indeed that is my fear. While Einstein once postulated ww3 would be fought with sticks and stones, I do not think even he appreciated just how terrible humanity can be to itself and the world around it even without a nuclear war.

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     Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦 (kegill@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 20:28:51 JST Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

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     After reading this research and factoring in the growth of anti-science and authoritarianism… I don’t see us surviving what we have done to the planet. For example >

     https://mastodon.social/@kegill/111628801293303340

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     Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦 (kegill@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 20:34:45 JST Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

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     I’m curious: what timezone are you? I’m US Pacific (-8 GMT) and should be sleeping!

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 20:34:45 JST gnutelephony

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     • Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

     @kegill with loss of sight I have also had some loss of sense of time, but I am on the east coast, and probably should still be sleeping now.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 00:53:05 JST gnutelephony

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     • SocialistStan

     @SocialistStan There is large uncertainty as to where the tail end eventually lands, especially if no effort is made to start reduction; 2C is just the highest probability of a tail that may actually be up to 10C if we sustain present levels of carbon activity. Yet each year they still do continue to go up. You also don't need a Venus for effective human extinction.

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     SocialistStan (socialiststan@mymastadon.link)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 00:53:06 JST SocialistStan

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     @gnutelephony Thats the way I look at it basically, only I don't think extinction is on the table unless we experience way way more than a few degrees of warming. The civilization causing the warming will collapse long before literally physically turning the planet into Venus.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 02:04:52 JST gnutelephony

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     • SocialistStan

     @SocialistStan indeed, that may be the best outcome still possible, that collapse prevents complete catastrophe.

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     SocialistStan (socialiststan@mymastadon.link)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 02:04:53 JST SocialistStan

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     @gnutelephony Present levels of carbon activity wont be sustained after this civilization collapses though, there's a natural cutoff where the system kills itself through mass migration, starvation, and destabilizing of states. I think there's going to be simpler human societies still surviving in habitable pockets.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:21:55 JST gnutelephony

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     • Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

     @kegill I am afraid to ask what you learned, though ;). What I have learned though, is even in difficult things, we have to find objective means of evaluating. The political wants simple answers, and often only wants good news, too. The challenge of investigative integrity is in how to handle the unexpected, or unwanted, outcomes.

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     Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦 (kegill@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:21:57 JST Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

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     @gnutelephony

     FYI, I enjoyed learning from you.

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     Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦 (kegill@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:21:58 JST Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

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     Oh! It closer to morning there than here. I’m from SW Georgia, traveled up the east coast to the mid-Atlantic then jumped to the PNW like a king in checkers. 😂

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     Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦 (kegill@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:54:04 JST Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

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     😂
     I had not seriously thought about the number of people Germany killed through malnutrition and disease. The horror of gas chambers casts a long shadow.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:54:04 JST gnutelephony

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     • Kathy E. Gill 🇺🇦

     @kegill industrializing mass murder remains the deepest horror of that war. I tend to believe if the US had the logistical means to do so in the early 1800's, they would have packed our people into boxcars too. As it is, they did their butchering with death marches and diseases, and had far more time to do so. Which casts a longer shadow, a gas chamber or the US cavalry, does not matter. We need these monsters to be banished to the past.