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    fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:52:26 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻

    The distrust on our feed is palpable, yes?

    Negotiating separately and in secret, tailoring communications, amplifying differences, identifying fractions, exploiting information asymmetry, and discrediting leaders is all chapter one stuff in any divide and rule playbook. And in the last six months, every one of those tactics have been enacted or cultivated by you know who.

    To make matters worse, many Fediverse leaders have given users every reason to be suspicious and distrusting 1 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:23 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Ecorp's delayed entry into the EU market was not due to a lack of interpolation, but how Ecorp shared data between its apps. It got hit with a billion dollar fine and didn't want that to happen again.

      There are no examples of Ecorp complying to the *anticipation* of regulations. It's always appeal and drag feet. 5 🧵

      In conversation Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:23 JST permalink
      Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) repeated this.
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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:23 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Additionally, it's unclear if Ecorp knew the details of the gatekeeper order before news broke that it was making an ActivityPub app.

      Ecorp didn't get its gatekeeper notice til July, 3 months after the story broke about the app.

      DMA was approved in 2022, but only for interpolation of standalone *messaging* apps. Not regular social media.

      Again, Ecorp doesn't comply to anticipatory regulations that harm its revenue streams. 6 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:24 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      30 people went to the corporate campus to speak with reps. Only one had anything to say about it afterwards. _One_

      And because this company (I'll just call it Ecorp from here out). And because Ecorp enacted an obscure clause, no one knows who went under what capacity, or what was said.

      In that one write up, the only bullet point that could be directly attributed to ECorp employees was "A year ago, I did not know what the Fediverse was"

      Do you know what happened almost a year ago exactly? 2 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:24 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Mastodon got its big influx of Twitter users in late Nov. In December, NYT reported that Ecorp was making the app. By March reports of an app that can interpolate with Mastodon hit.

      By June they were cold calling for NDA-enforced meetings And, by the way, making sure that their emails had enough context in it for a screenshot. 3 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:53:24 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      The other noteworthy point in that meeting summary post is now the leading theory for why Ecorp is suddenly interested in ActivityPub— to get EU regulators off its back.

      But this reasoning doesn't align with the EU DMA orders. It sounds like it *could* but it doesn't. 4 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:11 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      If an instance wants to do the "watch before block" thing, great. Write out and publish your terms. What is acceptable and what isn't? No more vague expectations.

      If a fediverse leader amplifies rationale thats misleading, call them in and make your case. Most want what's best for the collective. Give them a graceful out so they don't double down.

      Also, Ecorp will prob target small instances first. Don't let them. Unite.

      Last, keep talking.

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:26 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      If Ecorp is willing to kill a small well funded single-feature app for shareholders, what do you think it wants to do to a network of independent social platforms with no ads and a strong anti-corporate message?

      You think they're here to tell us how great we are? How awesome of cause we fight for?

      Or do you think they spent the first half of 2023 devising a plan to snuff out a threat? A threat, mind you, that couldn't pool enough cash to buy a house in Malibu. Let alone fight a juggernaut.

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:26 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Holy shit it's 2 in the morning. What was my point again? lol oh right. Divide and rule.

      Listen. The only way out is coming together somehow. And I don't mean in the bullshit way where the result is still somehow allowing ECorp to infiltrate while we "wait and see."

      We need to start sharing information with each other. Reject invites, special treatment, or anything that could sew distrust further.

      If you went to a meet, speak the hell up bro what are you doing?

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:27 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      You know what killed Houseparty? It wasn't a lack of growth. They ran out of cash and couldn't scale. No one wanted to invest anymore because of a phenomenon called Kill Zone.

      When the incumbent platform takes on a novel tech from the entrant platform, VC money dries up.

      Ecorp didn't find this study and use it. Ecorp *invented* the practice and a university studied it.

      https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202019.pdf

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:28 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      In fact, ECorp kept an early detection system built on a VPN acquisition that specifically targeted small start ups.

      Remember that VPN for kids ECorp launched to the App Store? Then later got caught slurping data? The app one pundit called "vampiric"? Yeah, same thing. It was hunting for small apps with momentum.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-copycats-how-facebook-squashes-competition-from-startups-1502293444

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:28 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Remember Houseparty? Me neither.

      Ecorp kept them busy for two months with meetings under false assumptions. Then, it cut communication and launched its copycat app Bonfire.

      In a panic, Houseparty burned through a $50 million round of VC cash. It was later forced to sell to Epic Games for $30million.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-copycats-how-facebook-squashes-competition-from-startups-1502293444

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:30 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Beyond that meeting summary post, there are a couple other justifications about this situation that don't vibe with reality.

      A prevalent one is— "Mastodon is too small to be worth it" or "why would ECorp bother with a rounding error?"

      For one, Mastodon user count isn't a rounding error. It's a behemoth of a network controlled by people unswayed by money (usually, I suppose.)

      For two, killing platforms before they get too big is Ecorp's whole thing. It's what they do.

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:31 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      And shit, bless their heart as the only one to publish notes on that meeting.

      Because when it's time for Ecorp's CEO to testify to congress on suspicion of snuffing out an open sourced protocol, he won't abide by some bullshit house rule.

      Congress'll want to know who knew what when and Mr CEO will gladly give up names and quotes that'll imply he was simply acting on bad information. 🧵

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:31 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      Since zero records exist, including and especially anyone's offical capacity to speak on behalf of the Fediverse, who's to say he's wrong?

      And if you think, any of you nerds are going to testify as experts to clear the names of good people, I'd watch the old Cambridge scandal hearings.

      Congress never knows what questions to ask and who to ask it from. It'll be Mr CEO and his network of friendly news blogs setting the narrative.

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:56:32 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      And to be clear, I don't think the author of the post intentionally fed anyone bad info. But how much does that matter right now?

      Anyone feel good about how much they know about that mysterious meeting? Anyone feeling *more* trust about any of this? Of course not. The vibes are in shambles.

      The purpose of that meet was to:

      A. Sow distrust with those already suspicious
      B. Give those looking for a reason to trust, a plausible story to share across the fediverse. Causing more friction.

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      Steveg58 (steveg58@aus.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:57:07 JST Steveg58 Steveg58
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      @fromjason
      The thread had no substance. I read through it all and it didn't mane an actual argument. You re-hashed a lot of history that we already knew. You went on about "Ecorp" is a bad actor which we also already know.
      If you said its is about an existential threat to mastodon.social then you are probably correct. But mastodon.social is not the fediverse and they are not the leaders of the fediverse. And lets face it, historically, mastodon.social was not the mainstream culture of the fediverse. Before the Twitter exodus arrived it was always skating on the edge of being defederated because of its ineffective moderation and tendency to permit bad actors.
      Remember we came here and formed communities because we thought both Facebook and Twitter were piles of stench even before the Elonocalypse.
      You haven't put any links to your blog so I can't even see what you have written there unless your blog is WSJ or BFI.

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      Steveg58 (steveg58@aus.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:57:08 JST Steveg58 Steveg58
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      @fromjason
      Sounds like American conspiracy theory. We like to deal with facts not vague assumptions. Sure, "Ecorp" is out to destroy the Fediverse and may well subsume Mastodon.social because it will not be defended. But other instances will defederate them and carry on. Your 30 administrators are a drop in the ocean and are certainly not "Fediverse leaders".
      Please be more clear with your concerns.

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      fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 (fromjason@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:57:08 JST fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻 fromjason.xyz ❤️ 💻
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      • Steveg58

      @Steveg58 Steve, my friend, I wrote the longest thread of my life, plus an additional two thousand words on my blog about my concerns.

      In conversation Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:57:08 JST permalink

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