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   World Wide Web Consortium (w3c@w3c.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 21:53:19 JST World Wide Web Consortium

   Tim Berners-Lee invented the Web and Vint Cerf invented the Internet. Some people often talk about one but mean the other.

   They once wore custom-made t-shirts to help identify which invention was theirs! #aboutW3C

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:40:36 JST clacke

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     • Gavin Brown
     @gbxyz @w3c I love that Cerf cannot for the life of him not wear a buttoned shirt, even when he's wearing a t-shirt. 🤣
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     Gavin Brown (gbxyz@noc.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:40:37 JST Gavin Brown

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     @w3c what I've always loved about this photo is the wording of the T shirts: Vint is not the sort of person who uses contractions...

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     she hacked you (ekis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:40:38 JST she hacked you

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     @w3c I can not really explain it but I derive a lot of joy knowing these people are still alive, and Linus even if he is a bit of a dick, and old men who talk about the early cryptowars

     It all happened so fast, it makes my mind race and other times the speed is a bit nauseating

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     Lucki (_luna@stranger.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:41:15 JST Lucki

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     @w3c This reminds me!

     I once interviewed Vint Cerf for a project that never got finished (Curse you ADHD!!), he's a very chill person, who else would accept an interview from a (then) 14 year old?

     (I thoroughly enjoyed interviewing him, I'll link the interview video later if you all want)

     (Gods this sounds like bragging, and it kinda is, but I just think it's cool and I want to share it)

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:41:17 JST clacke

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     • Darac Marjal
     @darac @w3c Note that he is still wearing one under the t-shirt. 🤣
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     Darac Marjal (darac@furry.engineer)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:41:18 JST Darac Marjal

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     @w3c This feels like a fake. Vint Cerf in anything less than a three-piece suit? Shocking!

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     Marty Fouts (martyfouts@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 21:41:36 JST Marty Fouts

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     @w3c could we not minimize the contribution of at least a dozen people involved in inventing the original ARPAnet? Cerf did major work but so did Jon Postel and others. No single person invented the internet.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 23:25:20 JST clacke

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     • Gutmensch.

     @impooortant Connecting people!

     In the 70s and even still in the 90s we thought that would be an undoubtedly good thing with no downsides.

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     Gutmensch. (impooortant@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 23:25:21 JST Gutmensch.

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     @w3c How did they expect their inventions to do good in the world?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 23:25:24 JST clacke

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     • Sean :nivenly: 🦬

     @witch_of_winter Technically nothing untrue was stated. 😃

     No one person invented the internet, neither Postel nor Cerf.

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     Sean :nivenly: 🦬 (witch_of_winter@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 23:25:25 JST Sean :nivenly: 🦬

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     @w3c this is obviously untrue, everyone knows Jon Postel invented the Internet and web, for how could they exist without RFC, IANA, and other such critical work.

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     World Wide Web Consortium (w3c@w3c.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 02:53:59 JST World Wide Web Consortium

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     • clacke

     @clacke
     We understand what you're saying but Vint was at the event - Bob Kahn, Louis Pouzin etc were not. If they were, they would also have gotten shirts!

     Please appreciate that we have no intention to slight any of the other people who worked on the internet. We do know the history and we do tend to think so would just about any of our followers seeing the post.

     It was meant to be an in-joke for the community. We also talked about one for Al Gore which said "I did not invent either."

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 02:54:00 JST clacke

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     @w3c Many people already pointed this out, but now you repeated this unfortunate phrasing, so it bears repeating:

     For many people "X invented Y" implies that they were the sole inventor, rather than one of many. For the initial iteration of the Web, this is true for TBL, but no one person invented the internet.

     The t-shirts in the initial post are of course entirely accurate and very funny, the explanation is potentially misleading.

     EDIT: I noticed just now that the t-shirts in the video are not the same ones, so Cerf is actually wearing one that says "I invented the Internet" which I'm sure he himself wouldn't claim to have done, but he's being a good sport and indulging the joke.

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     World Wide Web Consortium (w3c@w3c.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 02:54:02 JST World Wide Web Consortium

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     • Amy van der Hiel
     • Coralie Mercier (W3C)

     Short video footage from October 2014, at #w3c 20th anniversary, when Vint Cerf and Tim Berners-Lee donned / revealed t-shirts that @amyvdh and @koalie had custom-made, and they were good sports to agree to wear!

     The audience enjoyed the memorable and unexpected stunt!

     An image is worth a thousand words:
     • Tim Berners-Lee invented the #Web (and in 1994 founded @w3c )
     • Vinton Cerf invented the Internet.

     #aboutW3C