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   Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 03:07:30 JST Drew DeVault

   @ironiridis it wasn't a setback, because no one has ever been forced to use Wayland? Like, I get not wanting to change but it's super entitled to just demand that a bunch of free labor is done for your sake no matter how important your use-case is.

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 03:07:28 JST Drew DeVault

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     • Elia :verifiedtrans:

     @erin @ironiridis I don't think it's a category error. I do not mean to demean the needs of disabled people, but rather to emphasize that labor has a cost and most free software is written by unpaid volunteers. I think it's equally problematic to dismiss the needs of volunteers who go out of their way to do unpaid labor to support disabled communities -- this is a cost *society* should bear, not random hackers at the butt end of a flamewar.

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     Elia :verifiedtrans: (elia@fedi.quiescent.nexus)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 03:07:29 JST Elia :verifiedtrans:

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     @drewdevault @ironiridis framing a disabled person's need and request for accomodatimg features as "entitlement" is a category error.
     
     for every case of one of them expressing those in a less-than-excellent manner, there's a crowd of others who were excellent about it and got ignored because importance of the request was judged on purely technical grounds by able-bodied developers. some of the less-than-excellent cases may have been born out of frustration and exhaustion from trying to get that across.
     
     please do not apply collective responsibility like this.
     
     usually, your takes on social issues in technology are among the very best and most considerate. let's try to figure out how to turn this into one of those, for the benefit of everyone involved.
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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 03:08:20 JST Drew DeVault

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     @erin @ironiridis like, a high-quality accessibility solution (which the state of the art on Linux is most decidedly NOT) requires a large number of specialized software developers investing a very serious amount of time and effort into it... and as much as I would *love* to see that I don't think that blaming random hackers for not fronting the cost of that is a reasonable take.

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 03:09:10 JST Drew DeVault

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     @erin @ironiridis but for the record this is a problem that is being worked on to the extent possible and something that SourceHut would like to fund more seriously in the future. And good news: the Sovereign Tech Fund just issued a sizable grant for this kind of work!

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