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   Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline (edelruth@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:03:58 JST Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline

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   • LA Legault 🍉
   • Lillian Violet
   • Mary625

   @Mary625 @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

   Alas, the post I read had the link and the screenshot of the relevant bit, and I did not save it. It's on here somewhere.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:00 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @Edelruth @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     It is? Do you have a link to that? Thank you

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     Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline (edelruth@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:01 JST Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline

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     • LA Legault 🍉
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     • Mary625

     @Mary625 @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     And their right to use our data when we interact with anyone from their server is already in their documents.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:02 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     I'm curious why you're pushing so hard for a billion dollar corporation to be federated when we know what they do, we know they don't moderate, we know they're not federating for our sake or their user's sake.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:03 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     I never claimed to have knowledge of how that works. I said my server is blocking them because of it. So I can say that.
     Here's a screenshot shot of what what my server said about why they're not allowing threads and a link to what different servers are doing. Some say why, some don't.

     https://fedipact.veganism.social/

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:05 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Lillian Violet
     • Mary625

     @Mary625 @GLaDTheresCake

     You can’t say you have no knowledge of how it works and then tell me I am giving up my privacy.

     I think your assumption is incorrect and if it isn’t it should backed up by a source.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:06 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     I'm not going to pretend to understand as I have no knowledge about coding, how they intrude everywhere. But my server isn't the only one doing it for privacy reasons

     I would assume if you interact with someone who has all kinds of tracking stuff on their server, you're giving up your privacy by doing so. Just like clicking on a link article in rolling stone or using Google or Microsoft, you gave up your rights to privacy everywhere on your computer with no recourse

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:07 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Lillian Violet
     • Mary625

     @Mary625 @GLaDTheresCake

     What privacy issues? Threads will not have access to server user data.

     I think we should be precise in this because I get the moderation/safety issues but privacy is an entirely different matter.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:08 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @LALegault @GLaDTheresCake

     My server has blocked threads because of major privacy issues. So, for the moment, I'm good

     But why should people have to work so hard at this? They allow horrible shit, like Nazi and Nazi organizing. If they were any other server allowing that, they would be defederated

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:09 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Lillian Violet
     • Mary625

     @Mary625 @GLaDTheresCake

     Perhaps people could make a block list of notorious abusive Threads users and servers that federate could block prior to their access.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:10 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Lillian Violet

     @GLaDTheresCake @LALegault

     I agree. I find it very suspect

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     Lillian Violet (gladtherescake@todon.nl)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:12 JST Lillian Violet

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Mary625

     @LALegault
     My main issue is that threads allows people on their platform that are actively harmful and against the server covenant (which most servers including yours are a part of). Libs of tiktok as a very obvious example is allowed on threads, but would not be under the rules of the covenant. According to the rules of the covenant then they should be defederated, like gab and truth social. I don't see why threads would warrant an exception suddenly, it's arbitrary and damaging to the moderation of this place.
     @Mary625

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:13 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     @Mary625

     It just worries me that will people will block millions of people at the drop of a hat because they access social media in a different way than we do.

     And it really freaks me out that people will block instances for daring not to defederate with threads immediately, like disagreement is no longer allowed.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:14 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉

     @LALegault

     I was never on Instagram. I can't claim 10 years off Facebook YET LoL. 6 more months.

     😁

     I just jumped in to say what I thought about what I was reading here. I don't mean to be telling anyone what they should do

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:15 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Mary625
     • Mahal

     @Mary625 @mahal

     You are both acting like people have not experienced Meta products before and that’s not why people are on Mastodon.

     I stopped using Facebook 10+ years ago. I stopped using Instagram 3 years ago, and I don’t care what Meta says I would never return.

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:16 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Mahal

     @Mary625 @mahal

     Who on mastodon is going to join threads though?

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:16 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Mahal

     @LALegault @mahal

     Maybe no one right now but they will entice people. They'll have some new feature, they'll promise better access. They'll do what they need to. And I'll bet they start buying up instance. I'm so sure I'll put money on it

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:18 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Mahal

     @mahal

     Social media should reflect the society we exist in and we should be able to see people disagreeing, we should be able to debate ideas and philosophies without preemptively banning them.

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     Mary625 (mary625@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:18 JST Mary625

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     • LA Legault 🍉
     • Mahal

     @LALegault @mahal

     I almost always agree with you. In this, I don't. When they're using their fake users, bots, etc their algorithms to push their agenda (money and genocide) into a smaller world, they'll ruin the small world. No two ways about it.

     They aren't joining to grow the fediverse. They're joining to grow threads

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     Mahal (mahal@todon.eu)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:28 JST Mahal

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     • LA Legault 🍉

     @LALegault Meta can filter out pro-Palestine posts though, since they’re running on their own code for their users, so actually, what’ll happen is that we’ll see a greater influx of pro-Israel posts — as is the norm on FB/Insta (unless you deliberately *only* follow pro-Palestine pages who are lucky enough not to get Meta’s ban hammer).

     It is the reality of playing on their field — and even if we do block them, we’re still playing on their field; Public Service Media trumps all.

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     LA Legault 🍉 (lalegault@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:29 JST LA Legault 🍉

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     • Mahal

     @mahal

     That’s precisely why being exposed to fedi content is important. Unless they block individual fedi users, threads 🧵 people will be exposed to the truth about the situation in Palestine without Meta being able to block it.

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     Mahal (mahal@todon.eu)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:31 JST Mahal

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     Everything about Zuckerberg and Meta is evil.

     What about #Palestine, for those of you who do support it but also don’t mind Threads?

     I was an activist since far before October 7th, so I remember:

     Meta systematically — again, *systematically* — blocked, banned, and/or shadowbanned Palestinian pages, individuals, and outlets. Among the popular ones were pages like “Eye On Palestine,” but even average people faced this. This was during the Sheikh Jarrah crisis alone.

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     Mahal (mahal@todon.eu)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:32 JST Mahal

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     Had any of you read the Haugen/Facebook papers, you’d know:

     Meta enabled #genocide, boosted polarising misinformation, created shadow profiles of their users, exploited their algorithms so much that it caused mental health issues in young teenagers (there are lawsuits!), sold out women who had abortions to the #police in #USA, did the Cambridge analytica thing, sold user data to thousands of data firms, and more, much more — if you think this corporation has your best interests in mind, idk.

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     Mahal (mahal@todon.eu)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 18:04:33 JST Mahal

     While I am an active critic of distributed privatisation (i.e., #Fediverse as we know it), I will still choose that over corporate privatisation if public service internet is just not a thing yet. Why?

     • Corporations under capitalism have but one guiding tenet: the profit motive.

     • Social media corporations profit from advertisement operations — especially data harvesting.

     • It is their objective, therefore, to maximise profits by maximising data exploitation in every possible way.

     Resist.