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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 04:48:10 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   My wife is looking forward to deleting her Instagram account once she can connect with the same folks from her Mastodon account. Being able to remain in touch with over 100M people who still use Meta products out of the comfort of an ad-free, privacy-friendly platform like Mastodon is a game changer.

   • Evan Prodromou and Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     Sir_Osis_of_Liver (sir_osis_of_liver@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 04:57:04 JST Sir_Osis_of_Liver

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     @Gargron

     "Neville Chamberlain assures me that we will have peace in our time."

     Unbelievably naïve given the track record of the tech giants.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:04:05 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Niléane
     • lucas 🎺

     @nileane @theLUCASTDS I do believe federation should be opt-out and not opt-in, and am advocating as such, for this exact reason.

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     Niléane (nileane@nileane.fr)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:04:31 JST Niléane

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     • lucas 🎺

     @theLUCASTDS @Gargron In reality most big accounts on Threads just won't care enough to opt in, imo. If they're even aware that the option exists, that is.

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     lucas 🎺 (thelucastds@c.im)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:04:32 JST lucas 🎺

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     • Niléane

     @nileane @Gargron a lot of Mastodon servers are doing the same thing right back to Threads. If people on threads want to be able to communicate with Mastodon they will opt in. I would imagine most news sites & reporters will keep their audience as big as possible

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     Niléane (nileane@nileane.fr)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:04:41 JST Niléane

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     @Gargron Is this something that can truly happen if Threads is only going to be enabling federation for those who opt-in? https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/C051TLnud8U

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     Robert Link (phaedral@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:13:35 JST Robert Link

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     @Gargron Hard pass all the same, thanks.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:15:06 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Timo

     @timo21 People don’t like seeing links to Twitter on here because it’s a non-interoperable platform and they are one way and commonly not official. That’s the opposite of the Threads situation.

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     Timo (timo21@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:15:08 JST Timo

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     @Gargron the rub will be boosting posts that come from threads. Just like most people on mastodon don't like to see posts with links to Xitter, they won't want to see boosts that include twitter accounts.

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     Snowshadow (snowshadow@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:17:21 JST Snowshadow

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     • Timo

     @Gargron
     I left Meta years ago(then twitter a year ago) because of the spread of hate. Don't want to encounter it again. There are a lot of nice peoplehere. This will be bad. Sorry.
     @timo21

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     Sylvia Wright (sciencewrighter@m.ai6yr.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:45:45 JST Sylvia Wright

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     • Timo

     @Gargron @timo21 "People don’t like seeing links to Twitter on here because it’s a non-interoperable platform" -- People don't like seeing links to T/X here bc it's run by a fascist nutjob

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 05:45:45 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Timo
     • Sylvia Wright

     @sciencewrighter @timo21 I have been here for 7 years. People didn’t like seeing links to Twitter here before 2022.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:07:30 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     21@nick@norden.social Mastodon.

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     Nordnick :verified: (nick@norden.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:07:31 JST Nordnick :verified:

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     @Gargron

     Which "ad-free, privacy-friendly platform" do you have in mind, if and when #Meta would control the majority of the users?

     https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111585528118111249

     Some of my thoughts (in German):
     https://hhmx.de/@nick/292371

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:07:54 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • jill

     @jill https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

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     jill (jill@det.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:07:55 JST jill

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     @Gargron many people would like to get more in depth information about this, e.g. what happens to privacies of a post's content or posted media, which are shown on a Threads feed, bc a person from "there" follows a person from "here" or it got reposted? E.g.: Since the launch of "Imagine", Meta announced, that they use every image for their AI, unless you switched your account in time to "private". Why would they stop with just collecting image data?

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     Toni :mastodon: (coloco@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:14:58 JST Toni :mastodon:

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     @Gargron y a mejor.

     Mis felicitaciones a todos los que hacen o hagan como su esposa.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:40:15 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • World Wide Web Consortium

     I hope that an organization as massive as Meta adopting #ActivityPub will send a signal that pushes Tumblr and other platforms that have been considering it over the edge in doing the same. Perhaps even Bluesky would consider replacing or at least supplementing their custom protocol with the @w3c standard for interoperability.

     Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     PopOfAfrica (popofafrica@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:41:47 JST PopOfAfrica

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     @Gargron

     Mastodon is dead to me. I'm gonna give it a few days and delete this crappy app.

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     Martin Be (martinbe@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:53:40 JST Martin Be

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     @Gargron Don't let this internet cancer in here!
     Once you let it in, you will never get rid of this plague.

     #FuckZuck
     #FuckFacebook
     #FuckMeta

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     Confrontation Jacen (thejacenallen@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 06:57:41 JST Confrontation Jacen

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     • World Wide Web Consortium

     @Gargron @w3c those old companies are dying. Let there be new things! Oh glorious new things!

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     pare de sufrir (heddita@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 07:02:24 JST pare de sufrir

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     @Gargron it does and the arguments against it sound NIMBYish. isn’t the point of all this to have other things from outside connect? and if it doesn’t work out, isn’t there a way to disconnect? i’m all for social media going next level. maybe it’s naive, i don’t know all the tech behind this but i dream of not having a bunch of social media sites and still being able to reach all the content i do through google / reddit. this used to be IRC, why can’t it be something else next?

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     Virginia Murr (virginiamurr@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 07:27:18 JST Virginia Murr

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     • Timo

     @Gargron @timo21

     Oof. That's a poor assumption.

     I don't want to see Twitter in my feed because I don't want to (even incidentally) support Twitter's UNETHICAL owner.

     Same for Zuck.I left FB long ago because of his UNETHICAL behavior.

     Aside from Zuck's willingness to enable genocide--cuz' profit, he tried to sell depressed kids' info to advertisers--cuz' profit. Kids. FFS.
     
     Source (2017)
     https://www.wired.com/2017/05/welcome-next-phase-facebook-backlash/

     I whole a lot of people care more about the ethics than the "interoperability."

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     Shoq (shoq@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 07:32:55 JST Shoq

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     • World Wide Web Consortium

     @Gargron @w3c Is there any good reason why they can’t do both? Are their personal feed algos able to operated efficiently enough via AP if they want to enough?

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     Jamon Bull (jamonbull@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 07:52:03 JST Jamon Bull

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     @Gargron Sounds great, but @mosseri has recently said Threads is working towards its users having to opt in to Fediverse visibility. To me this is a total non-starter. 99% of users are not going to do that, especially if it’s a switch hidden somewhere in the settings menu.

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     PopOfAfrica (popofafrica@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 07:57:05 JST PopOfAfrica

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     • Timo

     @Gargron @timo21

     I think it would be naive to assume that anyone here would like us to federate with X, for example.

     I don't really see any difference between X and meta.

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     your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 (blogdiva@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 08:44:50 JST your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

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     • Niléane
     • lucas 🎺

     @Gargron @nileane @theLUCASTDS dude... no. techbros hate consent and that's why the charade of opt-out exists. don't think like a techbro.

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     Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 09:03:15 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron that’s exactly my same wish

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     Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 09:04:05 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron I wish you didn’t have to deal with most of the comments I’m reading below your post 🙄

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     Robert Link (phaedral@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 13:17:35 JST Robert Link

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     @Gargron That person X is happy about it doesn't make it a good idea.

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     Christian Schwägerl (christianschwaegerl@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 15:57:12 JST Christian Schwägerl

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     • Timo

     @Gargron @timo21

     There is so much more to this than interoperability. Both Twitter and Meta have strengthened the spread of disinformation and the forces that endanger democracy on an industrial scale. Mastodon with its different model is a fundamental alternative to that - and for a lot of people that‘s why they invest time and effort here, not there. Once connected, Mastodon won‘t be a systemic alternative any more, like a local food coop becoming a Walmart stall.

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     Bart Veldhuizen 🚀 (bartv@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 17:56:39 JST Bart Veldhuizen 🚀

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     @Gargron while she can see their posts, she won’t be able to interact with them yet, right?

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     minimac92 (minimac92@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 19:28:01 JST minimac92

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     @Gargron glad no Spoutible I heard there Russia code website 👀

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     Nick Bohle 🇪🇺 (nickbohle@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 19:55:41 JST Nick Bohle 🇪🇺

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     • photomatt

     @Gargron Please check @photomatt #StateOfTheWord 2023 Q&A. #Tumblr is next. Direct link to his answer on #ActivityPub regarding #WordPress and #Tumblr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01uBD2pyQY&t=365s

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 20:01:04 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Nick Bohle 🇪🇺
     • photomatt

     @NickBohle @Gargron @photomatt BTW, that was his answer to my email question to them - and I was very impressed with the detail and thoroughnesses of his response…

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 01:08:38 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     • Niléane
     • lucas 🎺

     @Gargron

     (1/2)

     #MetaOptOut

     I very much doubt that, legally speaking, #OptOut would be permissible in the #EuropeanUnion.
     There have been several decisions by #CJEU. #DoubleOptIn is the standard for e-mail newsletters. Given the fact that #Threats is nothing but a giant, data-grabbing #SpamEngine, I would highly doubt that #CJEU would see it much differently.

     Also, even though the #Fediverse is free of charge, people register on a server due to the instance rules...

     @nileane @theLUCASTDS

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 01:15:08 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     • Niléane
     • lucas 🎺

     @Gargron @nileane @theLUCASTDS

     (2/2)

     ...at that moment. Huge communities (e.g. #LGBTQIA+) came here not to be harassed by MAGATs et al.
     Changing the fine print might not work either, as this constitutes a major change an could be considered an invalid surprise clause in many countries.

     Erring on the wrong side of #GDPDR (#DSGVO) might prove costly when decided upon by the #CJEU some years in the future.

     I'd say opting for #OptOut as an instance might be a considerable business risk.
     //

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     Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦 (grant_m@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 03:19:55 JST Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦

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     • World Wide Web Consortium

     @Gargron @w3c I suspect many will decide just to join us over on the dark side 😎

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     Tingo (fixatedpersonsunit@aus.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 14:45:46 JST Tingo

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     @Gargron

     Privacy-friendly? #Threads

     Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     Michael Bauser (bauser@a2mi.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 14:45:46 JST Michael Bauser

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     • Tingo

     @fixatedpersonsunit @Gargron That's literally the same information every #Mastodon instance collects when you interact with its users. If another site can't collect/store account-identifying info, it can't manage interactions like follows and blocks!

     You're overreacting to the fact that #Threads has a more accurate Terms of Service than any other federated site.

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     Tingo (fixatedpersonsunit@aus.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 14:46:04 JST Tingo

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     • Michael Bauser

     @bauser @Gargron

     Other instances aren't privacy invading global networks that sell/exploit data and are run by amoral profiteers

     Tim Chambers repeated this.
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     Michael Bauser (bauser@a2mi.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 14:46:04 JST Michael Bauser

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     • Tingo

     @fixatedpersonsunit @Gargron That's neither here nor there, in regards to your complaint about those Terms of Service. There's nothing ominous in those TOS.

     I think if you had real confidence in your moral arguments against federating with #Threads, you would lead with those arguments instead of misrepresenting a legal document.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 14:49:09 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • World Wide Web Consortium

     @Gargron @w3c I doubt #Bluesky will embrace #ActivityPub out of pride, & #Tumblr will probably join the #Fediverse in 2025 or 2026 (based on their current pace).

     I do believe that we will probably see more government institutions, private organizations, political leaders & famous celebrities who are running #WordPress enter the Fediverse (via the plugin).

     I know #Flipboard will enter the Fediverse soon, but I am not sure when (or if‽) #PostNews & #Flickr will join.

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     Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦 (grant_m@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 02:13:52 JST Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦

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     • World Wide Web Consortium

     @Gargron @w3c There are a handful of people I really enjoyed reading/interacting with from twitler who are now exclusive with Threads.After Federation, will I be able to simply follow them from my Mastodon account? If so, this seems pretty cool indeed.

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     Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Monday, 25-Dec-2023 18:51:36 JST Jay Baker

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     @Gargron ...and get to access all the hatespeech that comes from Threads, which would face mass defederation if it was a standard Mastodon server.