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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:13:53 JST Aral Balkan

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   @matt @ruari If only the software was free and open source… hmm, I wonder what happened there. Couldn’t possibly be an issue with liberal open source licenses working exactly as designed, eh, Mozilla?

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:13:55 JST Matt 🌻

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     @ruari I really like the look of the hardware on both the 2019 (rounder) and 2023 (squarer) editions of the Nokia 105.

     Very simple. Slim and compact. Robust. No camera (because who needs a VGA camera anyway).

     But yes, probably very much let-down by the software.

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     Velocipede Rider (ruari@velocipederider.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:04 JST Velocipede Rider

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     @matt All KaiOS phones make me want to kill myself after a while.

     So it really does not matter than they have WhatsApp and can upload GPS to Strava because everything else makes me want to tear my hair out.

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     Velocipede Rider (ruari@velocipederider.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:16 JST Velocipede Rider

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     @matt No it was not always bad. I have some old phones as well. Things were better.

     The reissued Nokia 3310 was pretty OK IMHO (the UI was not as good as the old ones but passable and typing was fine)

     The "Nokia 225 4G" has noticably worse UI than the 3310 reissue but is 4G. Typing is much the same.

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:17 JST Matt 🌻

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     @ruari Yess! What I don't understand about feature phones is that people say the phones released today are WORSE than the ones that we had back in 2004.

     I don't get how they can be worse. 🙉 Especially when they say predictive text is broken (I see that comment a lot).

     Here's me wondering whether it was always bad on feature phones, our expectations changed but the tech didn't. Or, whether it has actually gotten worse.

     Anyway, this past month I've been dreaming of making my own feature phone.

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     Velocipede Rider (ruari@velocipederider.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:28 JST Velocipede Rider

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     @matt I mean the phone is supposed to be about call and messaging and it was terrible at both.

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     Velocipede Rider (ruari@velocipederider.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:37 JST Velocipede Rider

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     @matt If you found the MP01 buggy… you will be dissapointed in the MP02. The predictive text is a fucking nightmare. I logged a bunch of bugs to them but I don not think they go me at all. It would be unusuable for Signal/Pigeon I reckon because of how hard it was to type.

     Also the sound quality on my unit was attrocious (maybe I just have a hardware fault 🤷)

     But at that point I was left thinking… why?

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:39 JST Matt 🌻

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     @ruari I had a MP01 for a few years and even used it for about 6 months straight.

     MP02 looks slightly better in the software department; it at least has Signal integration (they call it Pigeon). But I am sure it's still super buggy.

     I agree that MP01 was a let-down. I can't talk for MP02 because I haven't used it. Their new project MC02 seems odd; they have gone into smartphone territory.

     https://mc02.punkt.ch/

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     Velocipede Rider (ruari@velocipederider.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:49 JST Velocipede Rider

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     @matt Ok I have two Punkt MP01s

     I was also given by them as an early external tester/enthusiast and MP02 before it went live by the founder Petter Neby. I once met up with him in Oslo for a chat (he is Norwegian but no longer lives here).

     I hate to say it but that phone was so fucking buggy I could not deal with it. It killed my interest in Punkt. I should probably start it up again and try updating it, maybe they fixed things but it was such a let down at the time.

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:50 JST Matt 🌻

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     I think it would be very interesting to have a feature phone device that was running a nice OS; one that could integrate useful messaging apps - so you can still chat to friends using Signal + WhatsApp, that encrypted the data on the device, that could sync your contacts or calendar with other services...

     Punkt's MP02 started to do this, but it seems they shifted focus to making a smartphone based on Apostrophy OS.

     https://aphy.io/about

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:52 JST Matt 🌻

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     To be honest, I think I would like owning the hardware, but could not deal with the software.

     There seem to be a few companies making "feature phones" again for various reasons, but none of them are investing in the software.

     KaiOS, running on some Nokia devices, is very very slow for the hardware. Nokia's S30+ operating system is dated and very crap. Other feature phones on the market seem to use Android or another bad proprietary OS.

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:53 JST Matt 🌻

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     I went into a phone store and asked to see the Nokia 2660 Flip and they were SOLD OUT of all their dumb Nokia phones.

     Man said that they are amongst their top-selling phones right now, to all ages:

     - Old people that don't know how to use other phones

     - Millennials who want to disconnect

     - Gen-z kids who think its cool to own a 2000s-style phone

     So, that was that.

     #MobilePhones #Cellphones #Nokia #FeaturePhones #DumbPhones #Technology #FlipPhone

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     Matt 🌻 (matt@oslo.town)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:14:54 JST Matt 🌻

     So tempted to buy a #Nokia flip phone to help me disconnect over Christmas. 🎄